Though the real answer is "it depends", I think the point of no return is sometime around the end of high school. If you don't have at least one marginally successful relationship by then that involves both an emotional and a physical connection, you're starting down a slippery slope. People around you already have this experience, and you don't, so you're instantly disadvantaged. As you grow into adulthood, they are having their second/third/fourth/Nth go at it, while you're still learning and making your first mistakes. And the longer it takes you to have your first marginal success, the harder it is to snap the losing streak. After a while there is a societal expectation that you've been in a relationship before, and if you haven't, it raises a host of red flags. Are you some kind of creep, weirdo, a closet rapist, maybe a repressed homosexual? People are quick to label those not like them, and it can take a lifetime to scrub off those labels.

Let's see what my score is so far, as to how many I've missed...

18-22: First kiss
25-30: First relationship
30-35: Lose virginity (two more years)
35-40: Marriage (seven more years, but I'd say it's in the bag)

So soon enough, I will have actually missed ALL FOUR!

lovablenerd, when you say that you are pretty much boned statistically, is there a resource I can find on that? I'm not asking to challenge you; I'm asking because I want the stats myself to use as ammo against rabbits.

According to my recent observations, the point of no return should rather be the age above 35 that said with statistic probability of say maybe 95% ..... and no smiles here i think are proper.

Time for a Houellbecq quote on the matter: taken from his "The possibility of an island"

“I think she is going to find you too old... Yes that was it, the moment she said it I knew it was true, and the revelation caused me no surprise, it was like the echo of a dull, not unexpected shock. The age difference was the last taboo, the final limit, all the stronger for the fact that it remained the last and had replaced all the others. In the modern world you could be a swinger, bi, trans, zoo into
S&M, but it was forbidden to be old.”

loveablenerd,

I think the notion of the checkpoints is a good one. Despite a dearth of statistics on the 1st 3 checkpoints, I have seen published reports (including 1 on this site by Odalis a few months back) that say it's virtually game over for marriage by age 35. Therefore, I would empirically revise your age brackets by subtracting 5 years from them.

13-17: First kiss
20-25: First relationship
25-30: Lose virginity
30-35: Marriage

It's all splitting hairs though because even by your more generous (by 5 years) age criteria, I am still boned.

I think it's more realistic to compress them and slide them around a little, rather than shifting them all by 5 years.
Also, a range of ages for each isn't really a definite point...kinda nebulous.
So, here's how I'd define the deadlines, and I'm being generous

23: First kiss
27: First relationship
30: Lose virginity
35: Marriage

So, let's see how I score now...

23: First kiss
27: First relationship
30: Lose virginity
35: Marriage (almost)



Here, where is that stat from Odalis? I don't want to have to sift through her posts..

I knew my point of no return was when I hit 39. It was inevitable that I would be the 40-year-old virgin. Now that I'm 51 and still never had DSR, it's absolutely laughable to think I still have a shot. Even if I were to ask out every woman I see, spends thousands of dollars on dating sites, or go to these so-called meet-up groups, the truth would rise above everything. A savvy woman would figure out my virgin/no experience status right away and drop me like a hot potato. I think women can tell if you've had experience with DSR; it's a sixth sense that they have. If you're not an alpha male, they can figure out your past right away.

I've read on the other incel board that women think it's "sweet" if you're still an older virgin. Bullshit. It's not sweet. It's pathetic. If no other woman wants you, why should she? Nobody wants damaged goods. (By the way, that forum threatened to ban me because I had the audacity to make a negative comment about being a virgin. I no longer go to that police state of a forum. I guess facing reality offended some people).

For me personally, 36 (twice the age of a legal adult in the US) was my point of no return.


You don't know just how right you are about that, alone99! 4 years ago, I was on a coffee break with a friendzone female from work. Out of the blue she flat out said, "I sense you've never had a girlfriend before have you?" Strangers can tell also. I was at a work-related conference 11 years ago. During a break, towards the end of the day, this random woman attendee said, "You seem really uptight. I think what you need is a girlfriend". The funny thing is I was quiet all day so she must have been reading my body language I guess. If it wasn't for my LS, I would have retorted with, "so are you offering?". So yeah, women most certainly have a 6th sense when it comes to spotting incel men.

Piece of advice: Don't believe what women say. Believe what they do.

Besides, by "older" virgin, she probably meant 23.

After reading the last few posts here, is it any wonder why I get so hostile at these fucking rabbits who love to insist, beyond common sense, that guys like us should get back up on the hamster wheel?

No wonder at all.

This last page of posts right here sum up my feelings exactly. There may not be a literal "point of no return" - there will always be that slight, if almost non-existent, chance - but, let's be realistic. If you're a male of a certain age or older and still have a blank dating resumé, you're screwed, metaphorically speaking.

To be fair, women might tell you, "Aw, that's kind of cute." But don't let that fool you. Behind their kind demeanor and sweet tone, they're really thinking, "That's a red flag. I'm going to let another unlucky b***h handle this one."

What a bitch. I see that she was so kind in offering to take the albatross from your neck herself

It's hopeless, comrades. Fall back

I think loveablenerd's criteria are a little too generous. Most women will think you're a creep if you're a virgin, looong before 30. More like 23-24.

It's funny how what used to be the norm (virgin before marriage) has now completely reversed, to become the laughing stock. Oh, did I say 'funny'? Because I meant 'depressing beyond belief'.

I'm not even at stage 1 (first kiss) and I'm 30 in a week

Here's my history.

First kiss - 16
Lost virginity (to a hooker) - 21
First non-hooker sex - 22
Never had a girlfriend.

Amazingly, I managed to go from 17-21 without so much as touching a girl, despite being surrounded by them 24/7.