Truth! I want that quote printed on a t shirt

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Raising awareness will help other guys like us to understand that there could be a problem and that it CAN be solved. It is not just about raising awareness for the non love shy community. While there is a possibility that it can open the eyes of those who are misinformed but aren't ignorant, the main thing is getting other loveshys out there some support. At the end of the day, only they can help themselves, nobody else can do it for them.

Loveshyness is something we don't want and once we get rid of it, we are free to be whoever we can be.

Right, asshole.... An almost certain lack of social status that made you love-shy in the first place, lack of things hunter instinct, preselection by women, sexual experience or relaxation about the whole issue, all of it just goes away. Fuck you. So why aren't you getting laid now?

In the past three or four years, I have come from being a very insecure person who could barely make a telephone call, whose attempts to ask a girl for telephone number ended in more anxiety than facing a hungry lion and who couldn't even talk about DSR. I have taken steps to overcome the condition and have now been able to hold hands with a girl without sweating, feel a girl's bum and even get a long kissing session. These have all happened in the past few months since I considered myself cured. The only reason I haven't had sex is because I haven't found a woman I'm interested enough in to try since then. All in all, I have had WAAAAYYYY more experience after having cured myself than when I was loveshy. Coincidence?

Of course it had something to do with beating it and I am glad for you but it's not as if all of us can become what they want after they stop being LS. This forum is full of ex LS incels.

your lack of understanding of the nature of LS amazes me.

Make arguments, not blank statements.

i think i remember an "argument" about the same topic a while back. arguments dont seem to work, even when its apparent that LS can exist independent of any of those variables (except "relaxation about the whole issue" which is the state of non-LS itself, unless you're suggesting that a good way to not be LS is to not be LS )

i'll go through the first few things cause i'm bored.
lack of social status correlates with but does not cause LS. I have attained reasonable social status, as have some other people with LS.
I have hunter instinct, I know what i'm supposed to do, how i'm supposed to do it, but that doesnt take away the phobia. again, a lack of instinct correlates because of the proportion of AS people with LS.
I and a few others, have been pre-selected by women. I even kissed a girl a while back who liked me. (took alot of alcohol, and knowing she liked me, and knowing her quite well to get to that point lol)
obviously lack of sexual experience cannot cause LS. sexual experience can treat it, to an extent, but if lack of sexual experience was the cause, then no one would ever get to the point of sexual experience, because they'd all start off LS. even if argued as a factor that could be compensated for by not being prone to the other factors, then its effect would depend upon the other factors prevalence, making it in itself not a factor as such, merely a necessary environment inevitable to exist, like saying "to be LS, you must have 2 eyes"

I never said you will be what you want to be. I said you will be whatever you CAN be. There is a difference.

D'oh. Not all this "What is LS?" nonsense again.

For those who doubt the show will work, consider this. There are the alpha people in the world who will laugh. Granted. But hard to believe it may be, there are actually some people out there who share sympathy with this kind of thing. Some even can share empathy (knowing the difference is crucial; I shan't go into it). I/We want to appeal to those who feel this way, and there are many out there. And given I am 150 miles from where I grew up, I am *almost* safe from that, if nothing else. So no worrying about some drunk attacking me! Which leads me to this...


I remember you saying this before (with the Mentorn one) and I appreciate the point. If I was still in Southend I wouldn't do it for my own safety. But given I'm not, I'm not as worried; I would just have to avoid Weston-super-Mare like the plague (as though I don't already! ). If the career should fail because of this show, there is still plenty of good to come from an Education degree. If nothing else, I would in theory be in a better position to undertake Educational Psychology...

Besides, half of the reason for doing teaching or similar is because my main aim in life is to help people and improve awareness of problems. If this show should cause the first to fail from a schooling perspective, surely the show itself would be of benefit to the cause in other ways, not least through the second part?

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Just found this in her Dating blog (linked to on the first page of this thread so I shan't do so a second time):

Public transport
This is less dodgy than it sounds. I found two boyfriends on public transport. One on the Eurostar (yes he was a saucy Frenchman) and the other on the underground (the relationship was short and sweet, just like him). I think this is such a romantic way to meet someone - if it worked, what a great story to tell your grandchildren. However, the downside is that you are going in totally blind - you know nothing about them and if you're going to hook up again, make sure you follow the safe-dating rules!

If this is true, why the Hell hasn't it worked for me? I've travelled by bus and train enough to last 20 people's lifetimes! Just last year I covered 11,000 miles by train alone... In other words, she's wrong here. But that won't discourage me; it just means it is true of her.

Doc, I apologize, I misunderstood your words. However, unfortunately, there ain't much you can do about no longer being incel once you stop being LS due to it's causes.

As for you, fonduman... First of all, I wasn't initially talking about what causes LS but that certain factors, some of which are causes, are hard to remove. So, no, I don't think sexual inexperience causes it but it can be a huge problem once you're cured.
You said your social circle consists of geeks somewhere? Not much of a status.
As for being preselected by women I mean fucking a few. Kissing a girl is bs.

preselection does not equal experience, it equals demand. the key is that I have several times before been 'selected', i.e preselection

"certain factors, some of which are causes"? how can a factor be non-contributory to the effect itself, and still be a factor? what is a factor if it is irrelevant to the condition?

there is a less rigid social hierarchy here. geeks are not just loner people. nor are they exclusively socially awkward. they mingle to a large extent with everyone else, are not seen as excluded from being "cool". hard to explain, but a geek can be confident, socially connected, well known. especially since one of my geek friends is one of the best swimmers in the country lol. maybe we dont hang out with the sporty types, but there is generally a polite degree of mutual respect between social niches.

Yet you never had sex, why? If it was because of your desire you're basically a volcel. If it was fear I might understand that but if she didn't push for it very hard it's doubtful if you were really selected or if it was just a fling, which is still a sort of selection but she might not have wanted you seriously, aka for sex or a relationship.




I wasn't quite clear... There are certain factors which usually keep ex LS people incel after they beat it. Some of these factors are also causes.





Look, I can't know all the reasons why you are incel. That's another thing all together. But alphas associating with other alphas are in 99.99 cases not incel.

girls here dont "push" for sex. thats what men are supposed to do, once they have shown interest in them. i'm LS, so obviously nothing there. if the man doesnt reciprocate their interest, they move on to the next one. i've had one occasion when I wasnt responding to interest and the girl increased the obviousness of her displays of interest (she started rubbing her leg on mine lol). but this was just an extrapolation of signs other girls also showed me.
thats fine, but its annoying when people make big sweeping statements about the condition as if they fully understand it, when first hand experience clearly disproves those assertions.

I emailed my story to them a while ago. I'm not hopeful, but I'll wait until it's broadcast.