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Oh, yeah. I see the irony in that she is just like a female version of incel, only in her case, she deliberately shuns male attention and hides. Still, I like her a lot, and she probably feels the same.

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She wants to break up. I don't know if I can fix anything, but currently I feel like utter useless crap. :cry: Nothing actually bad happened, I guess she only kept me around all the time out of curiosity, and finally decided to tell me she doesn't feel the same way I do. :headsmack:
The PAIN is so much more complicated than the one of regular breakups, because I effing know it will be a long time before I meet another girl. You know what they usually advise - heal your wounds, and move on. But incels/LS can only 'move on' to nothing. :(

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SHIT!
She wants to break up. I don't know if I can fix anything, but currently I feel like utter useless crap. :cry: Nothing actually bad happened, I guess she only kept me around all the time out of curiosity, and finally decided to tell me she doesn't feel the same way I do. :headsmack:
The PAIN is so much more complicated than the one of regular breakups, because I effing know it will be a long time before I meet another girl. You know what they usually advise - heal your wounds, and move on. But incels/LS can only 'move on' to nothing. :(


Really sorry to hear this considering how happy you were (obviously). She doesn't feel the same way? :\ That really sucks. Sorry.

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This evening (in just 4,5 hours) I scheduled a dreaded meetup with her, with a serious conversation.
ADVICE, please? :shock:
I really hope to get it somewhat fixed. If it is just her another bout of depression (don't have the mood, don't wanna do anything, blah, blah), than I'll try. I usually have to lead, make all plans for meetups, cheer her up, initiate almost everything, etc. I already got used to it.
OTOH, she really does minimal effort in our relationship. She accepts our time going out and heavily sexual physical contact no problem, though. :crazy:
I fear that the real reason is she has started seeing someone else (she's cute, after all). In that case, bye-bye, cheaty-face! :byebye:

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Play her this song and GTFO of the room.

Nice, however, she knows very little English, unlike me. :lol:

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I fear that the real reason is she has started seeing someone else (she's cute, after all). In that case, bye-bye, cheaty-face! :byebye:


That is a concern. :\ And her non-interactivity, the desire to engage with you with enthusiasm, could be related to that? Not sure. Hmm, it does sound like you're having to carry her a little bit, which is a bit of a shame. Why is she depressed? Ask her that. Maybe try to come to the problem from that angle. You and her not working is not the cause, it's a symptom of something else. The thing I would try to suggest to her is giving yourselves more time before you just feel like it's not working and decide to eject. It sounds like trying to discover the source of her depression will probably require effort and patience on your behalf, which isn't necessarily fair on you (after all it's not your job to necessarily 'fix' that), but if you think she's worth it, then I guses it's up to you to decide if you want to invest in her that much. And trying to solve her lack of enthusiasm won't necessarily guarantee that it will transform your relationship - but I'd probably still try to do this if I were in your shoes. ;o

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Ha, I guess, like a true incel\LS, I'd cling to whatever I can. :?
It is always VERY hard to get her to open up. Sometimes she flat out sits and stares, pretending she didn't hear my question, or answers evasively. She told me about being sexually bullied in school years, about failed attempt to start career after getting a degree (she does low-skill job right now), lack of friends and love life, etc. I really want her trust, and the true intimacy that comes with it, not just the 'getting into her panties' thing.

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I really want her trust, and the true intimacy that comes with it, not just the 'getting into her panties' thing.


Communicate that to her. (I'm sure you do try). All I can suggest is that you need time and patience - both of you. :\ If you think she's worth it, tell her you want to help her with/through it. Demonstrate that you understand the problems she's faced and that you want to be there for her. Maybe *she* thinks she will be more comfortable again being by herself rather than with you, but by being together, you can develop and grow together, share your experiences. I don't know all the ins and outs of your relationship, so my advice is probably vague at best, sorry.

I hope it works out. I really do.

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"A man who fears nothing, is a man who loves nothing, and if you love nothing, what joy is there in your life?" - Arthur, First Knight (1995)
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Oh, that was one hard conversation. She was teary-eyed, and seemed sadder than I even seen her. Quite a pain to watch and know you can barely do anything. At least she went to see me in person, unlike the previous lass, who quit it using a goddamn SMS and stopped responding! She's so geniune, seemingly defenseless, anxious and vulnerable, it feels like I have to be very delicate. :(

Unfortunately, (SHIT!), there really IS another guy at her work, who flirts with her (but, to her words, they didn't have any dates), and who she (probably) likes because of his looks (t's all 'bout LEEEEEWKS, dammit!), (she said he looks like her dad, WTF?) but he's a drunkard. I guess I am a typical nice guy bore to her (though I do to take her to places, make jokes, get touchy-feely etc), while he is a happy-yapping 'yippie' yuppie! :banghead:

So far, I tried my best to convince her to stay, and she didn't give me a definite answer - she mostly says she's unsure, but she totally doesn't have the same feelings I do. She even suggested she'd rather be alone, cause she's used to be like that. Says she never liked anyone in THAT way. (I don't believe it, but maybe?) She doesn't want family, doesn't consider herself adult enough, is obviously depressed, etc, etc.
I'll keep you updated. I hope it works out. :?

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Good luck with her drama.

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Good luck with her drama.

I really hope she doesn't do it out of boredom, so I guess you missed the point here. As cliche as it sounds, my only choice is to try to win her heart, but having a incel\LS poisoned mindset doesn't help! :?

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I'd let her go, but then again I do not fight if the other person does not reciprocate. That's my rule anyway. Not saying it is yours. I do not have any good reason except that it feels as though it will not work out in the long run. For me, the commitment has to be strong in both directions. She would have to come out of her shell. Show you a part of her that is vulnerable. It looks like she is still too scared. If you see progress in yourself (which it looks like) and she isn't showing any, something is wrong. You should not have to "carry" her.

Let this guy be a drunk father figure to her. That is probably what she wants, but she cannot express it. She is sad because she probably wants to be with you, but whatever unresolved childhood/adult past drama is drawing her to this other guy. Supposedly, normal guys know when to leave. For us, it's like why should I give up the only opportunity.

You could wait, but it might be forever for her. Damn, dude. I know one thing, she might have a kid with that other guy if she let him, and then probably leave her. Then she might turn bitter and resentful toward anyone.

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I'd let her go, but then again I do not fight if the other person does not reciprocate. That's my rule anyway. Not saying it is yours. I do not have any good reason except that it feels as though it will not work out in the long run. For me, the commitment has to be strong in both directions. She would have to come out of her shell. Show you a part of her that is vulnerable. It looks like she is still too scared. If you see progress in yourself (which it looks like) and she isn't showing any, something is wrong. You should not have to "carry" her.

Let this guy be a drunk father figure to her. That is probably what she wants, but she cannot express it. She is sad because she probably wants to be with you, but whatever unresolved childhood/adult past drama is drawing her to this other guy. Supposedly, normal guys know when to leave. For us, it's like why should I give up the only opportunity.

You could wait, but it might be forever for her. Damn, dude. I know one thing, she might have a kid with that other guy if she let him, and then probably leave her. Then she might turn bitter and resentful toward anyone.


Agreed.

Gah, you seem to have the odds stacked against you Iori. I don't know what to suggest now. It seems to be a bit of a blow that she doesn't feel the same way as you do to her. Sounds like her outlook/attitude is overwhelming everything else and suffocating any chance of her appreciating what you're trying to give her. Slightly disappointing that this other dude at her work is distracting her so easily, too. :\ It figures that she's going to think she'll be better off alone. It's the "easier" route out. Meanwhile the guy at her work is giving her attention. (and even though you are too, it's not registering in the same capacity, which is mega frustrating)

One thing I'd maybe try is suggesting she has some days to herself, alone. Give her a bit of space for a while, and then see how things are. I don't know if that's a good idea or not. Ultimately I do agree with Xanatos, it's not really your job to carry her - but at the same time, if you feel she is worth it, you can, and it doesn't mean you have to carry her *all* the way. Just a little bit, until she finds her own feet. But this is your call. It's not really fair on you too. I want to believe that if you helped her find her own feet, she will appreciate your presence much more - because you helped in her arriving at that spot. But again, on the same note, maybe it's not very satisfying receiving it that way, instead of her appreciating you for you. But one could lead to the other perhaps. What I mean is, by supporting her, she slowly comes to realise how much value you are to her. Though sure, how long you choose to support her is your discretion. It could be a long time, and it might also not work. :( It's like, if you think she's the only chance you have for a long time, then I guess stick with it. If you feel that it's going to take too long and too much patience, then try to maybe move on without hurting her. ;x

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As my alpha male confidence oozing brother would say, dump that bitch. Of course, he had at all times five or more girls going at the same time. Like a fucking chain smoker, he'd light up another girlfriend when one of them "burned out" so to speak. Guys and girls these days are no different. Igor, you finally found one person. I hate to keep using shitty comparisons, but aggressive/outgoing men play 100 lottery tickets a month, you finally got enough money to buy one ticket and the odds are just that, really shitty.

Love and relationships are a numbers game. I don't play, so I don't have a chance to win. Unless, by some insane chance, a woman takes the first move. But in terms of a good man to have, I'm the shredded plastic wrapper under the cheap movie bargain bin (aka pool of available men). Women only want the best, they will not settle for 2nd or 3rd class or in my case, 311,591,917th place. I am the last man in the United States a woman would want to date right after the brain dead 90 year old serial killer. This lady of yours is probably unable to express the fact that you do not entertain her enough. She is afraid of hurting your feelings. Again, she probably sees you as the nice guy who will be there for her. But, as you said, do you really know or not if you are boring to her? Women don't like boring people, trust me. They live on drama like I live on sweet tea.

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