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That sounds true to me, but I feel like the users answering my other thread fears being rejected rather than being evaluated and critizeed.

Many of them says that it losens up when they know its reciprocal, but my man only gets even more stagefright.
He is not comfortable in his gender role with me. It seams to me that the more ready I get, the more afraid he is. It feels to me that he is afraid to perform rather than that I don't love him.

Encouragement is thereby not the "weapon of choice" Approval of his actions works better.

Hope you get what I feel is different, or is it just down to it's all individual?


does he know for certain that it is reciprocal? anything that leaves potential for uncertainty is enough to cause inaction. And even when he knows it is reciprocal, don't expect him to pursue. He should be able to reciprocate your own advances to an extent, and initiate himself, with repeated exposure.


He knows, for sure, but due to circumstances neither of us is performing very well. A qualified guess would be that he believes I'm dissatisfied with his performance, I'm not, I'm just stressed by the circumstances. It has been very difficult to talk about them. It's kind of a soap opera.
And this has taken it's toll on me. I've walked through rain and fire.

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for example... a lot of LS guys have had women pretending to like them... fake asking them out... being bullied by girls/women etc... which makes them
doubtful and angry when approached again by a good woman... such triggers really destroy a lot of trust


And there is always attention whores... If you pardon my french, but many women use men. I know.

Your post explains a little hostility I've experienced. A a series of betrayals makes a mark of course.

Have you any adwice, more than prove myself worthy.

Your story makes me so touced (I've read your thread about standing up aswell)

Can I have you all? Like a harem? (If joking is okey?)
Seriously - you seam so sweat that was what I wanted to say in a flirtatious way

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Loveshyness is merely a form of social anxiety just like DSR is a form of socialisation.


What is DSR? :oops:


http://www.love-shy.com/lswiki/DSR

Most of are terms are explained in the Wiki. Look it up there next time :)

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Social anxiety is like an umbrella title for everything social. Loveshyness is merely a form of social anxiety just like DSR is a form of socialisation. A person can be completely social and the life of the party, but still freeze when it comes to women. The difference between social and romantic shyness is not restricted just to loveshyness either. I know a guy who, while not very LS, was still afraid to ask a girl out that he had his mate text her, yet he is definitely a very social person.

However, if you have general social anxiety, you are going to still be LS.


That's a great explanation, and this is also why I'm focusing heavily on doing exercises to end my social anxiety.


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The Doctor wrote:
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Loveshyness is merely a form of social anxiety just like DSR is a form of socialisation.


What is DSR? :oops:


http://www.love-shy.com/lswiki/DSR

Most of are terms are explained in the Wiki. Look it up there next time :)


I googled it, thought it was something in english :oops:
But now when you're telling me I realize you have once before... I'm sometimes a slow learner... :o

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The second form is similar to your man's and my own back in the day. This is the fear of RECIPROCATION. There can be many reasons for it, but the most common one comes down to the universal fear: that of the unknown. They don't know what to do, don't know what she's going to do, don't know how he's supposed to act, etc. Sometimes, it can even be completely irrational.
Wow, you had a fear of your romantic feelings being reciprocated? I don't think I have that at all. Yes, when the time comes, reciprocation will certainly be novel and unusual but with open communication I think I'll be able to deal.

My romantic anxiety stems from my wiring making me believe that my sexuality is ugly and disgusting. I'm built to assume that nobody will ever want it. And yes, those are very irrational and stupid thoughts.


I have to admit, I can relate to this quite well too. What the Doctor wrote about reciprocation, I mean.

It's easier to like a girl from far away than ever try to ask her out. Why? Because she might say yes.

I don't want to be rejected, but I have a fear of being accepted. It leaves me at an impasse. Thus, easier to turn my head away and sigh. What can a girl possibly do in this situation? Nothing probably. In most cases, she is unlikely to even know any of this strange torment going on in my head anyway. But I do feel like the situation changes based on whether it's me chasing a girl first, or the girl chasing me first. It's almost like a lot of the pressure is on the chasee, rather than the chaser (and maybe these two roles can actually switch during the courtship - which is a scary prospect!).

I feel a sense of naturalness being a guy and being the chaser, but it doesn't make it easier per se. It's almost like if I don't feel I have to work at courting/pursuing her, it feels "less" in some way. If you had two identical girls and both liked me, and Girl A was dropped in my lap and I didn't need to do anything, while Girl B I had to pursue and flirt with in some way for a period of weeks or months before something happened, then I'd probably like Girl B more - even though they are identical as I said. The contrast being: Girl A situation would be much much better on my anxiety/nerves/shyness, while the pursuit of Girl B would be taxing and emotionally stressful, maybe. ;o Does that make any sense? Maybe a point here is that Girl A or Girl B shouldn't feel bad: after all, it seems to be my problem more than theirs. :oops: Perhaps even, Girl B enjoys the pursuit, knowing she's on the end of my flirtations, and maybe Girl A is happy that it required no effort at all. *shrug* Who truly knows. Most of the time one just makes this up as they go along.

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I don't have social anxiety much, I had agoraphobia till last year and I managed to push it away. I feel embarrassed if I have to talk in front of a lot of people but nothing as bad as a real, crippling social anxiety. I sometimes feel bad in the street and I have moments of "what are people thinking of me", "how do they perceive me", "they must think I'm so ugly", but I do my best to discard these thoughts.

So I have no issues talking to people, but I'm LS in the sense that I am sometimes more scared from having my feelings reciprocated than rejected. At least with rejection, I know where I am going. I know how things will be:
- meeting someone
- friendship
- rejection
- no friendship anymore
- hurt
- self-hatred
- slow recovery
- closure, after some months.

If the person says yes, well, it's just a wall from there.
- friendship
- reciprocation
- what-the-freaking-hell happens next? *seizure*

The only time a guy took my hand, a guy I really, really liked, what did I do? I chuckled, thinking "he does that because he's so wasted", and took my hand away. A normal girl would have been delighted, but I had my heart pounding like crazy and immediately thinking "it can't be happening, not to me".

And overall, it's a deep desire to bond with someone, feeling unable to, having this glass panel around you and feeling like you can only go through the motions without actually being able to "feel" normally.


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I have to admit, I can relate to this quite well too. What the Doctor wrote about reciprocation, I mean.

It's easier to like a girl from far away than ever try to ask her out. Why? Because she might say yes.

I don't want to be rejected, but I have a fear of being accepted. It leaves me at an impasse. Thus, easier to turn my head away and sigh. What can a girl possibly do in this situation? Nothing probably. In most cases, she is unlikely to even know any of this strange torment going on in my head anyway. But I do feel like the situation changes based on whether it's me chasing a girl first, or the girl chasing me first. It's almost like a lot of the pressure is on the chasee, rather than the chaser (and maybe these two roles can actually switch during the courtship - which is a scary prospect!).

I feel a sense of naturalness being a guy and being the chaser, but it doesn't make it easier per se. It's almost like if I don't feel I have to work at courting/pursuing her, it feels "less" in some way. If you had two identical girls and both liked me, and Girl A was dropped in my lap and I didn't need to do anything, while Girl B I had to pursue and flirt with in some way for a period of weeks or months before something happened, then I'd probably like Girl B more - even though they are identical as I said. The contrast being: Girl A situation would be much much better on my anxiety/nerves/shyness, while the pursuit of Girl B would be taxing and emotionally stressful, maybe. ;o Does that make any sense? Maybe a point here is that Girl A or Girl B shouldn't feel bad: after all, it seems to be my problem more than theirs. :oops: Perhaps even, Girl B enjoys the pursuit, knowing she's on the end of my flirtations, and maybe Girl A is happy that it required no effort at all. *shrug* Who truly knows. Most of the time one just makes this up as they go along.


If I should guess, with girl A, you know for sure that you have won her over being you?

I think in my case, and it often is I believe, that one switches roles.

He was the pursuer but because of other circumstances I was very hesitant at first, didn't encuorage him as much in his approaches in the beginning.
Later I was more reciprocal and then he became scared. And I believe his fears made him feel angry with him self for not performing better or "something". I don't know what goes on in his mind.

If I'm obvious in my female signals, (shows clearly in sparkling eyes, smiling etc) in texting It scares him.

Now we are outspoken that something is going on between us. And he cancel in the last minute. And postpones.

It's just like you say - this is a dead end, and he is scared going in there. Probably because of previous hurt.

I myself feeling a little limited, ways of contact are like road that being blocked one by one. This is why I say I'm in a maze. There is a way out, but where?

He has brought up the "subject" to explain why he does what he does, he has told me he's scared, he hides, and that it becomes to difficult for him

My answers have been, it's okey to be scared, I will help, And I will find him when he hides, and I also said that It's difficult for me when he Cancel but that I realize that it's maybe because he need to check if I will tire. And that I will keep on looking. I have all the time had a feeling that he is kind of testing me, and if I pass a test he let me in a little further?
He seams afraid of being hurt again. (he has been betrayed multiple times)
I've told him that I won't leave.

In a way it's getting more and more difficult. He seems more and more relaxed with me, but at the same time It gets more and more difficult for him to approach me. Maybe It's because there is no longer anything casual about it?

Thank you all for answering, just for now I feel like I'm just wandering about in that maze, scared to do something wrong so one more gate closes :S

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I don't have social anxiety much, I had agoraphobia till last year and I managed to push it away. I feel embarrassed if I have to talk in front of a lot of people but nothing as bad as a real, crippling social anxiety. I sometimes feel bad in the street and I have moments of "what are people thinking of me", "how do they perceive me", "they must think I'm so ugly", but I do my best to discard these thoughts.

So I have no issues talking to people, but I'm LS in the sense that I am sometimes more scared from having my feelings reciprocated than rejected. At least with rejection, I know where I am going. I know how things will be:
- meeting someone
- friendship
- rejection
- no friendship anymore
- hurt
- self-hatred
- slow recovery
- closure, after some months.

If the person says yes, well, it's just a wall from there.
- friendship
- reciprocation
- what-the-freaking-hell happens next? *seizure*

The only time a guy took my hand, a guy I really, really liked, what did I do? I chuckled, thinking "he does that because he's so wasted", and took my hand away. A normal girl would have been delighted, but I had my heart pounding like crazy and immediately thinking "it can't be happening, not to me".

And overall, it's a deep desire to bond with someone, feeling unable to, having this glass panel around you and feeling like you can only go through the motions without actually being able to "feel" normally.


This is like my friend says, he doesn't recognize what it is. Is it dangerous?
I can see this in small children aswell, never being touched in a tender way.
Never touched ant talked to with love.

Now I remember I froze. Scared to make a move. Afraid of doing something wrong to make it stop.

Doing nothing can be a way to say - please move on. It's easy to keep on going with children, you have a never ending well from which to draw.

I understand that your laugh (google translated it to this) was a nervous one because you got embarrased. That's not a comfortable feeling so you withdraw.

But Dsea you seam very lovable to me. In fact I like you. I think we are quite alike but you have it more severe and I have this never stopping engine built in my character. It's av very strong drive to not get stuck. I believe I am more afraid of being left behind forgotten, than to stick my neck out.

MY scariest moment as a child were my family forgotten about me and left me in a truck and I couldn't get out. I was four years old. I cried my lungs out, and when they eventually found me, my daddy didn't comfort me, he just laughed it away.

I am very scared of left behind, being left out. My child abuse was violence when I was really young my mother hit me with a carpetbeater. But my sister put an end to it. After that it was just neglect

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I have to admit, I can relate to this quite well too. What the Doctor wrote about reciprocation, I mean.

It's easier to like a girl from far away than ever try to ask her out. Why? Because she might say yes.

I don't want to be rejected, but I have a fear of being accepted. It leaves me at an impasse. Thus, easier to turn my head away and sigh. What can a girl possibly do in this situation? Nothing probably. In most cases, she is unlikely to even know any of this strange torment going on in my head anyway. But I do feel like the situation changes based on whether it's me chasing a girl first, or the girl chasing me first. It's almost like a lot of the pressure is on the chasee, rather than the chaser (and maybe these two roles can actually switch during the courtship - which is a scary prospect!).

I feel a sense of naturalness being a guy and being the chaser, but it doesn't make it easier per se. It's almost like if I don't feel I have to work at courting/pursuing her, it feels "less" in some way. If you had two identical girls and both liked me, and Girl A was dropped in my lap and I didn't need to do anything, while Girl B I had to pursue and flirt with in some way for a period of weeks or months before something happened, then I'd probably like Girl B more - even though they are identical as I said. The contrast being: Girl A situation would be much much better on my anxiety/nerves/shyness, while the pursuit of Girl B would be taxing and emotionally stressful, maybe. ;o Does that make any sense? Maybe a point here is that Girl A or Girl B shouldn't feel bad: after all, it seems to be my problem more than theirs. :oops: Perhaps even, Girl B enjoys the pursuit, knowing she's on the end of my flirtations, and maybe Girl A is happy that it required no effort at all. *shrug* Who truly knows. Most of the time one just makes this up as they go along.


If I should guess, with girl A, you know for sure that you have won her over being you?

I think in my case, and it often is I believe, that one switches roles.

He was the pursuer but because of other circumstances I was very hesitant at first, didn't encuorage him as much in his approaches in the beginning.
Later I was more reciprocal and then he became scared. And I believe his fears made him feel angry with him self for not performing better or "something". I don't know what goes on in his mind.

If I'm obvious in my female signals, (shows clearly in sparkling eyes, smiling etc) in texting It scares him.

Now we are outspoken that something is going on between us. And he cancel in the last minute. And postpones.

It's just like you say - this is a dead end, and he is scared going in there. Probably because of previous hurt.

I myself feeling a little limited, ways of contact are like road that being blocked one by one. This is why I say I'm in a maze. There is a way out, but where?

He has brought up the "subject" to explain why he does what he does, he has told me he's scared, he hides, and that it becomes to difficult for him

My answers have been, it's okey to be scared, I will help, And I will find him when he hides, and I also said that It's difficult for me when he Cancel but that I realize that it's maybe because he need to check if I will tire. And that I will keep on looking. I have all the time had a feeling that he is kind of testing me, and if I pass a test he let me in a little further?
He seams afraid of being hurt again. (he has been betrayed multiple times)
I've told him that I won't leave.

In a way it's getting more and more difficult. He seems more and more relaxed with me, but at the same time It gets more and more difficult for him to approach me. Maybe It's because there is no longer anything casual about it?

Thank you all for answering, just for now I feel like I'm just wandering about in that maze, scared to do something wrong so one more gate closes :S


I don't know very much about your situation. But understand that there is probably no malicious play or intent with your guy. If he does anything wrong or hurtful, it's due to negligence or complacency or ignorance or obliviousness. He is probably not trying to hurt you (of course, this goes without saying, but maybe needs to be said, still ;)).

Yes, sometimes, when something gets a label, it can change how you view it psychologically. Maybe, there's a pressure of expectation and obligation, when something is more "official." Thus, he pulls back a bit, or is unsure of himself anymore, despite the progress to that point.

This is a hypothetical situation, but for example, maybe I've known a girl for a long time, and then one day she and I agree vocally that we're "boyfriend and girlfriend now". I may have been relaxed and comfortable up to that point, but after this declaration, I might be nervous and hesitant, because now I've got a role. *Bear in mind* this would be down to pure lack of experience in said role. :) You see, I've never been a boyfriend to a girl, at least with regard to a long term relationship, therefore I don't know how to play my "part". :) But sure, up until that point of saying it out loud, maybe we already -were- boyfriend and girlfriend and nothing has actually changed! Yes, it's silly, but that's how it can work in our minds. :\

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The maze is your interpretation of action and reaction. :) You constructed the maze, it is not his creation. ;o

The maze doesn't actually exist. This is always the same with intended projected signals and unintended projected signals, and opposite to them; which is the intended received signals, and unintended received signals. Interpretation and misinterpretation. Situation and environment affect your perception of signals received, and thus distort and twist the signals you send back to him. Your jumping at shadows a tiny bit because it's only natural when you over analyse. I think if you continue to have patience and be non-pressuring and non-threatening, it will resolve itself.

The solution to the maze has always been the same. (i.e. there is no maze ;x)

I know this is vague, but I feel it is better to understand it conceptually, rather than literally. :)

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"A man who fears nothing, is a man who loves nothing, and if you love nothing, what joy is there in your life?" - Arthur, First Knight (1995)
“Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Speak the truth, always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. That is your oath…” - Balian, Kingdom of Heaven (2005)
“Everything that happens once can never happen again. But everything that happens twice will surely happen a third time.” from 'The Alchemist', Paulo Coelho
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I never have had a "date" or a girlfriend, a hand held in affection, endeared, desired......

Throughout my twenties and during college and grad school I would talk to women, express myself and the answer was always "no" or I was a "friend"

I figured as a younger man, "my time would come" and everyone is different...............but as my twenties ended, I started to get worried, jealous, angry, and this was all unresolved "hurts" by the ten tons of previous rejections. Did the guy thing of reading STUPID books by David DeAngelo, read "The Game" did dating sites, tried to do more......it was tiring, and I noticed the more I tried and FAILED in my thirties the more I started to drink and bump/rail harder than usual.

I still try to meet women, or chat them up now on a rare occasion, but when I don't get success I have to let it go. Cancel the profile on the dating site. Try again.........maybe in a few months. Maybe not.

It looks "foolish" and almost desperate for a man my age who has never been married, is a virgin, doesn't have children, never has had d/s/r to behaving like a guy who is twenty-one in the dating realms and world.

Pretty much I have to wait til she appears, or shows up in my life through church, through a friend (VERY doubtful, but yes, a chance). That kind of thing.

Is it LS? Is it incel? Is it something else? I don't know, but I do know I am not alone on this forum when it comes to this. I have some good friends (men and women) I have traveled, I have had quite a thrilling, fun life....but in this area I have FAILED. I just don't and never had "it"

This sounds so much like my life it's scary.

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You are absolutely right. It's a "woman's thing" looking for multiple interpretations and I'am creative like a pinball machine. :lol:
And thereby very good at winding myself up.
Instead of realizing - it's propably the simplest explanation to everything that happens. In my defense. Many "kind people" NOT Have helped me in that regard

Thanx for "holding my hand" and calming me down. It is very sweet of you and I preciate it. It was really really helpful. And I can relate to it.
This feeling of never be "good enough", feelings of being inferior

I've read a book called: "Children of the self- absorbed" and it was mentioned there, both that, and the feeling not being worthy.

Again thanx, i totally get the second part
Our fears are like sticking points, and if they hatch in one another we can startle one another in stead of reassuring one another

You are totally right I create the maze (with help from pure mean people)
And like Latorradorra my female friends have turned their backs at me.
I've lost them all. In their mind, men are unreliable, and they think that he delivers to little. And says it will never work.
And he must do this and he must do that.

It makes me lonely as well. So again thanks from the bottom of my heart.

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You are absolutely right. It's a "woman's thing" looking for multiple interpretations and I'am creative like a pinball machine. :lol:
And thereby very good at winding myself up.
Instead of realizing - it's propably the simplest explanation to everything that happens. In my defense. Many "kind people" NOT Have helped me in that regard

Thanx for "holding my hand" and calming me down. It is very sweet of you and I preciate it. It was really really helpful. And I can relate to it.
This feeling of never be "good enough", feelings of being inferior

I've read a book called: "Children of the self- absorbed" and it was mentioned there, both that, and the feeling not being worthy.

Again thanx, i totally get the second part
Our fears are like sticking points, and if they hatch in one another we can startle one another in stead of reassuring one another

You are totally right I create the maze (with help from pure mean people)
And like Latorradorra my female friends have turned their backs at me.
I've lost them all. In their mind, men are unreliable, and they think that he delivers to little. And says it will never work.
And he must do this and he must do that.

It makes me lonely as well. So again thanks from the bottom of my heart.

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You're most welcome. :) I'm happy to talk more. I just wanted to say one thing. I don't think it's necessarily just women that do this btw. I think both men and women do it - especially when it's someone you're into. But I appreciate the compliment. I am sorry you are lonely too. :\

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it's not a woman's thing explicitly to think up lots of different interpretations. in my experience, it's just more a woman's thing to decide to believe one of them is definitely true, and act accordingly :mrgreen:

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