I just know liberalism over here, which means: freedom and equality are the goals. So no matter what others think, let them and have your own opinion... however, most european governments are far away from it. xD

I am a liberal now am I?

Funny but years ago I met and dated a liberal woman. Needless to say her liberal friends were amased that I rode a motorcycle as most of them could barely drive a car, to my way of driving, but I do drive hard and fast. What was really a deal breaker was when I mentioned I owned and shot <<<GASP>>>guns.

You'd have thought I just turned into Count Dracula.

Needless to say my relationship didnt last long after that, but to be called a flaming-ass Liberal is ALMOST funny. I vote independant and often for republicans, not just democrats. In the next election I will vote libertarian. I dont like Obama.

Not exactly liberal now am I?

The flaw of our system is that we have only two parties that matter.

Everyone gets lumped into either Republican or Democrat. Voting Libertarian, Communist, Socialist, Constitutional - monarchist is a wasted vote. I might as well vote for myself in the next election.

Then there is this highly subjective and all inclusive, yet abstract demarcation given to us by others on our place in the Rep/Dem line.

Either you are a bleeding heart altruist, political feminist, tree hugging, gay rights, queer theorist, Great Society/New Dealer, atheist/nihilist, positivist, pro choice, pro union, pro socialist, pro Ivy League demagogue democrat

OR

a facist, Nazi-like, close minded, racist, bigoted, agrees 100% with fschmidt's view on women, isolationist, state's rights, eugenicist, egotistical in his moral apotheosis, Gun loving, militaristic/favors authoritarian systems, Laissez-faire economics, and Bible thumping and Jesus on my necklaces Republican.

People, in general, say that if I am Republican I must be 99.9% on the bandwagon with those terms used.

Ceteris paribus

I agree with you. I probably fit the libertarian POV best, but I also know that there is NO free market out there, and that
most societies need a safety net for those who fall ill or are injured for life, making people think I am a democrat, which I am not as an Independent.

Frankly, as a student of history, I know that our country is right on the brink of distaster and falling apart like Rome did, so I dont really care who does what, or who is who in politics. Its all a rigged game, controlled by the corporate masters.

Like millions of other Americans are doing as we write, I am preparing for a civil war, not this nonsence at the ballot box that hasnt been unrigged for years now. Its just fiddling as Rome burns, so its who has the best gig going that will win out.

Speaking of Rome/America, I pulled this off a random website:
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At some point it must be obvious that if the "rest" of the world seeking shelter from its enemies finds refuge in America, then these same refugees will discover America as yet another battlefield.

Not to bash Northerners, but it's like saying Florida is the new North. When everyone escapes their home, their problems, and moves to a new location...nothing has changed except the location. This is happening in my home town. I'm being displaced/replaced by people from Ohio and Wisconsin. It's sad when I'm working at the grocery and everyone is like..."oh you're from Ohio too...no kidding."

Back to the point:

We may say things like we can house, feed, and care for the world. Yet, when the world moves in eventually the old rivalries return. I'm not an isolationist like Ron Paul or as DDT I mean DTT calls me a Mexican hater. It's just at some point our influx of new people will exceed the positive cultural transformation. People forget about the gangs that make up streets, the Asian street, the Mexican street, the Middle Eastern street. These microcosms could become large enough to be counties or even states. When that happens...the least of our worries will be the breakup or the separation of our union.

The USA following the footsteps of Rome, the USSR and the British will rift. It will be a civil war with many sides.

Buy your guns now or if you are anti-gun make sure you know what side you want to be on. I'm not predicting the future; it is already here. One day this veil of ignorance will be shattered; paranoia and terrorism are just the first signs. I'm surprised 9/11 didn't happen many years before that.

While I could live in panic, I do not. I'd rather have a clear head and be ready. America has been fighting for its freedom since 1776; it never stopped. This is what people forget when they grow complacent.

I agree. Some wise man once said: " The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance". America forgot that and has allowed so
many low-life scum into political power, that the corruption is beyond repair. Dick Nixon stepped down when he got caught
engaging in criminal acts, but that was in 1973. President Ford said he would not run for office, then he did anyhow.

You just dont see modern day politicians admitting they F'ed up anymore. Some lying in politics was always the norm, but it was gotten so bad in the last 25 years that it's "normal" now. You cant run a free country on baldfaced lies for very long.

Vive' la Revolution!

And I laughed at the end of World War Z when it states that Cuba and its isolation allowed for the rest of the world to strike back at the zombies. Americans were swimming to the shores of Hispaniola.

Our political leaders care too much about their image, and less about what it means to maintain their integrity. Perhaps this has been coming; it was great while it lasted. As our foundation crumbles we then witnessed the D.C. mongrels entrenched in their candy fluff making them greedy and addicted until it proved too late that real sustenance, often bitter and the sour, would have kept them alive.

The greatest harm is allowing politicians to concede to save face, to earn a vote, and to be populist. Imagine a world with the "traditional" U.S. The only word I can think of is Dystopia.

Dystopia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Dystopia (disambiguation).

A dystopia (from Ancient Greek: δυσ-, "bad, ill", and Ancient Greek: τόπος, "place, landscape"; alternatively cacotopia,[1] or anti-utopia) is the idea of a society in a repressive and controlled state, often under the guise of being utopian, as characterized in books like Brave New World and Nineteen Eighty-Four. Dystopian societies feature different kinds of repressive social control systems, various forms of active and passive coercion. Ideas and works about dystopian societies often explore the concept of humans abusing technology and humans individually and collectively coping, or not being able to properly cope with technology that has progressed far more rapidly than humanity's spiritual evolution. Dystopian societies are often imagined as police states, with unlimited power over the citizens."

Yes, America does resemble a Dystopic society.

Instead of the drug from Brave New World, "Soma", we have hundreds of mind altering medications, most called anti-depressants. Instead of 1984's outright repressive social control system of Big Brother, we have a standing army of police, who are trained in military styles of combat and are looked upon by those of us who studied history as the new fascist SS squads, ready to bust the doors down and kill everyone inside, with NO probable cuase at all, as we saw at Waco, Texas.

I know many of you who dont live in America won't understand this, but when you see US solders all over the world, killing innocent men, women and children in foriegn lands, at least you can know HOW they got this way in the first place.

They were brainwashed, like most US citizens are, who know nothing about freedom at all despite all the flag waving we do. Americans are conditioned to shoot first, and ask questions later and our police and military have taken it to a whole nuther level indeed. That is why I keep advising all of you who dont live here NOT to come here, until we have had our civil war.

It's time to put a stop to this obsene madness, and the sooner the better, IMO.

I'd put it this way:

US of ~1970s: Brave New World
US of today: 1984

Source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=22581

I'll put it another:

Ignorance is bliss. It is my fault that getting multiple advanced degrees has lead me down the road to fear. No wonder my uncle was paranoid. When you become smarter than the average citizen, you being to see the manipulation, the distortion, and that much of it moves at a snails pace. People keep expecting some Hollywood blockbuster cataclysm; I say it will be the slow moving train type. \

Once it starts and gets momentum, it will be too late for anyone to stop. Honestly, much of this occurs all the time. Few if any of us have lived long enough to see history repeat its mistakes. We read about them, but the long term is always long term. People would rather, in this myopic and instant gratification world, vote for a magic bullet politician or a poorly framed piece of legislation to fix everything. Yet, the wheels of the government turn, oh so slow.

Not sure if there is a better place to live...there were better times. Yet, ignoring 20/20, we would say that the problems of a different time were just as momentous. In our place in history, we could forgive certain evils they found unimaginable. The difference will be for the future generations is more access to the problems people faced.

Imagine if we had video and photos of the Peloponnesian War. The libraries of the future, if they exist, would a place I'd never leave.

I'm not aware exactly of what its like, but when I watch reality tv cop shows its shocking how they act. I dont think any police over here would basically tackle someone to the ground and slam them against a car just because they did not instantly and completely submit. police tend to be ok over here. i got pulled over last night because one of my headlights was off, which they could have penalised me for, but he just gave me a pointer that I should get it sorted out, pretty decent guys mostly.

Thats how the Police, not the cops, used to be here in the USA, not anymore.

Cop abuse and even murders happen all the time in the US. You make one wrong move the guns get drawn and you could end up dead.

Don't believe me ?

I can post many such crimes by cops, if need be, quite easily. These fucking pigs her think that they are the new Samurai or the knights of old, and can do anything they want to do to the citizens.

More and more when you read the _local_ news headlines, you will see that they are NOT invincible at all.

Yeap, some of them DONT come home alive and that's a GOOD thing too.

I will repeat for those who didn't _get_ the message:

"Don't come to America unless you want to visit a fascist police state before it hits full throttle. Its like visiting Nazi Germany in 1936. DONT COME HERE TO WORK HERE OR, FOR ANY OTHER REASON, including a vacation. There are lots of places you can go that are far better places to visit then the USA."

Lots of us would be very glad if we could move out of this fucking hellhole country the US has become. Many people who can afford to do so are leaving this stinkhole, and never looking back.

Same here. Too poor to go anywhere. And what is worse is people act like its a choice or your ignorant or any other nasty trait. The last time I tried 'going somewhere' it turned into a monstrous usury. I really could have done without. Kept my thousand some dollars and seen the Little House on the Prairie cabin or something little and enjoyed myself 10,000 fold.

Well Zeek glad you enjoyed your visit.

My mother always was having tea sent from Wales over here....or when we were in Canada she would buy the kind she liked there. Agreed on the tea. I am tea drinker as well, and sadly the best American "tea" mass market brand is "red rose" and that doesn't compare.

Friendly????? Yeah, people are people everywhere. I met TONS of really friendly people when I lived in Germany, and in India. Yeah, I met total jerks too in Germany and in India. Being a jerk isn't just an American thing.

Americans of all stripes and colors do tend to "fall" for the lovely Brit accent. So that was probably a boon to you while on your visit here.

Thank you as a Yank for some polite observations about my country.