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 Post subject: Does God Exist?
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I hope so....because if there is no God that would mean that we (humankind that is) are the highest thing on the proverbial totem pole. If that's the case WE ARE TOTALLY SCREWED.

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What we term 'gods' are in fact extraterrestials.

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I've certainly never seen any evidence support the existance of god or gods, therefore I reject all claims of god or gods. I don't claim absolute knowledge, but it doesnt make sense in the big picture.

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I've certainly never seen any evidence support the existance of god or gods, therefore I reject all claims of god or gods.

Have you ever seen a million dollars? If not, do you reject all claims that a million dollars exist? :confused2:


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I've certainly never seen any evidence support the existance of god or gods, therefore I reject all claims of god or gods.

Have you ever seen a million dollars? If not, do you reject all claims that a million dollars exist? :confused2:


Ummm... There is plenty of evidence that a million dollars exists. There is NO evidence of a god or gods existing. :headsmack:

I've never seen molecules or atoms either, but I know they are there because we can test their existance through the application of scientific principals and mathematics.

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Go on youtube and Search for "The Atheist Experience".

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Stranger1983 wrote:
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Stranger1983 wrote:
I've certainly never seen any evidence support the existance of god or gods, therefore I reject all claims of god or gods.

Have you ever seen a million dollars? If not, do you reject all claims that a million dollars exist? :confused2:


Ummm... There is plenty of evidence that a million dollars exists. There is NO evidence of a god or gods existing. :headsmack:

I've never seen molecules or atoms either, but I know they are there because we can test their existance through the application of scientific principals and mathematics.
Except when said particles break the laws of physics and exist in more than one place at one time. Or in the case of black holes where nothing makes any sense anymore. Or what dark energy is, or what dark matter is, or if either of them even exist.

Considering all that we don't know, claiming there is no evidence is no reason at all. It's the opposite of being scientific really. It's what we laugh at history for doing. Believing that the earth was; the center of the universe, solar system, or flat. Sure we proved that all wrong through discovery. We've not discovered anything to prove or disprove the existence of a creator or "higher being." I'll give you that religion as it is interpreted is pretty absurd. I doubt there's a man in the sky keeping a tally on everyone.

Quite often I find atheists as silly as very religious people. Anyone who claims to know the unknowable is not to be taken seriously.

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mrping wrote:
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Stranger1983 wrote:
I've certainly never seen any evidence support the existance of god or gods, therefore I reject all claims of god or gods.

Have you ever seen a million dollars? If not, do you reject all claims that a million dollars exist? :confused2:


Ummm... There is plenty of evidence that a million dollars exists. There is NO evidence of a god or gods existing. :headsmack:

I've never seen molecules or atoms either, but I know they are there because we can test their existance through the application of scientific principals and mathematics.
Except when said particles break the laws of physics and exist in more than one place at one time. Or in the case of black holes where nothing makes any sense anymore. Or what dark energy is, or what dark matter is, or if either of them even exist.

Considering all that we don't know, claiming there is no evidence is no reason at all. It's the opposite of being scientific really. It's what we laugh at history for doing. Believing that the earth was; the center of the universe, solar system, or flat. Sure we proved that all wrong through discovery. We've not discovered anything to prove or disprove the existence of a creator or "higher being." I'll give you that religion as it is interpreted is pretty absurd. I doubt there's a man in the sky keeping a tally on everyone.

Quite often I find atheists as silly as very religious people. Anyone who claims to know the unknowable is not to be taken seriously.


Atheists in general don't claim to know anything unknownable. We just reject claims of god or gods (and fairies and leprechauns) that have ever been proposed because no claims, thus far in the history of humanity, have met the burden of proof whatsoever.

However, there are gnostic atheists who not only reject claims of god or gods, but claim to know for sure there is no god. This is whom your response seems to be directed at. Many more of us, such as myself can be considered agnostic atheists, meaning that we reject claims of god or gods, but we don't know for sure. I think we can probably agree there.

On the otherside of the concept there are the gnostic theists (the devoutly religious) who accept claims of god or gods and claim to know for sure that god/gods exist. As you can imagine agnostic theists accept claims of god or gods, but don't know for sure.

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To me, wondering if God exists makes as much sense (and is as practical) as wondering if Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy exist. I have better things to spend effort on.


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I've certainly never seen any evidence support the existance of god or gods, therefore I reject all claims of god or gods. I don't claim absolute knowledge, but it doesnt make sense in the big picture.


The evidence is all around you, yet you are blind to it all.

Not to worry; many human's cannot see God's works, either.

Carry on then, and believe as you will. That too is God's gift.

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God does not exist. If he does, he's a dickhead. I found out my oneitis got a boyfriend, and I got a job rejection, all on the same day last week. Screw you,God :(

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Considering all that we don't know, claiming there is no evidence is no reason at all. It's the opposite of being scientific really.


Actually it's very scientific. The whole idea of scientific method is to collect enough evidence of something (be it a particle, or a process, etc) to be sure beyond reasonable doubt that it exists/occurs. If I were to say to you that I can levitate, if I even wrote a huge book about it and convinced thousands of people that I could, you would not believe it until you saw some evidence - you would want to see me levitate. That is how most atheists view the concept of God, we refuse to believe in one because there is no evidence.




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Except when said particles break the laws of physics and exist in more than one place at one time. Or in the case of black holes where nothing makes any sense anymore. Or what dark energy is, or what dark matter is, or if either of them even exist.


Just because we don't understand something does not mean it is the work of a God. In the distant past, humankind had no understanding of things like the day/night cycle, lightning, viruses and medicines, the Earth's orbit affecting the seasons; they were all usually attributed to one or more higher beings. But now we know how they all work, and can use some of them in our own sciences. If our race has not destroyed itself in a thousand years' time, I am very confident that the details of the Higgs-Boson, black holes, and dark matter will be common knowledge. And they will laugh at people of our time who thought they were proof that God exists, as we laugh at the people of the dark ages thinking basic herbal medicines were witchcraft or the work of the devil.

To quote Tim Minchin:
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Ever solved
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Not magic.
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Hardliner,I am sorry that I couldn't watch your videos because of censorship.
Ironically,this fact itself is a result of Atheism.
In Atheism censorship is everywhere because opinions of ordinary human beings(i.e. All the people in the world except Our Saviour Jesus Christ),instead of facts are important.
Facts have no value under Atheism.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.


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17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



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Torah is still in force.
Yeshua is the Messiah because he perfectly practices the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy).
Yeshua's disciples in Jerusalem, led by James, Peter and John, also practice the Torah.
Why not start from keeping the Sabbath?
It is good religiously. It is also good for your secular life.
"Christmas" is actually paganmas that has nothing to do with Yeshua who Greco-Roman paganizers renamed Jesus.
"Easter" is a pagan festival. Why keep celebrating them?


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