Onkel Willie wrote:
this whole thread is crazy... atheists have nothing to prove: if someone makes a claim with no evidence to back it up (ie the existence of god), the burden of proof lies on them. unless god reveals himself, there is no argument.
Only agnostics have nothing to prove. If an atheist asserts the nonexistence of God, then the burden of proof for that is every bit as much on them, if there even is a burden of proof. That's the next question: does anyone have to "prove" anything to anyone? It's not like any of this will ever be proven to everyone's satisfaction, especially given the level of animosity we are dealing with here...yes, that does affect objectivity.
What should happen is that we should all be able to live in peace, believing whatever we will, and not having to account to anyone else for what we believe. However, in this day and age, it's actually the atheists who are making calls of, "This town ain't big enough for the both of us!" The atheists are the ones going on the offense, trying to push their
views off on others. Maybe they think that at this period in history, if they can only get enough momentum and power, they can rid the world of religion once and for all and end the issue. As long as they win in the end, it doesn't matter if it was fair, right?
That's one of the weakest aspects of Atheism.Atheism is vulnerable because it has no evidence to support it.While we have to deal with agnosticism using its bad social aspects,Atheism is vulnerable logically.
I'd say religion is much more vulnerable logically, not to mention that it doesn't have any evidence either. All the evidence you've come up with so far is mostly biblical, which isn't exactly proof of anything.
And to hardliner, I'd say it's the opposite. Pavel is the one who came onto this board proclaiming that atheism is the source of evil, immorality and stupidity. So who started this? It sure as hell wasn't me.
Atheism is weeker. God our LORD
say that Jews are the chief of the nations and they actually are.Israel defeated more than 10 countries in the Six-Day War.Jews got 5 Nobel Prizes last year.This is a great evidence for Christianity.
How so? I don't see any proof in it. The fact that 'God' said something and it then happens doesn't prove anything. Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "after this, therefore because of this," is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states, "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one." Post hoc is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence appears to be integral to causality. The fallacy lies in coming to a conclusion based solely on the order of events, rather than taking into account other factors that might rule out the connection.
The fact that the bible states Jews are the chief nation, and that they succeed today doesn't mean there's causation there. The stuff you mention is only evidence that Jews are good at what they do, it doesn't prove Christianity is true.
There are very many Germans who won the nobel prize as well. Is this proof that Nazism is good? I don't think so.
Jer 31:7 wrote:
For thus says the LORD, "Sing aloud with gladness for Jacob, And shout among the chief of the nations; Proclaim, give praise and say, 'O LORD, save Your people, The remnant of Israel.'
Eze 25 wrote:
Ezekiel 25: Judgment on Gentile Nations--Ammon
1 And the word of the LORD came to me saying,
2 "Son of man, set your face toward the sons of Ammon and prophesy against them,
3 and say to the sons of Ammon, 'Hear the word of the Lord GOD! Thus says the Lord GOD, "Because you said, 'Aha!' against My sanctuary when it was profaned, and against the land of Israel when it was made desolate, and against the house of Judah when they went into exile,
4 therefore, behold, I am going to give you to the sons of the east for a possession, and they will set their encampments among you and make their dwellings among you; they will eat your fruit and drink your milk.
5 "I will make Rabbah a pasture for camels and the sons of Ammon a resting place for flocks. Thus you will know that I am the LORD."
6 'For thus says the Lord GOD, "Because you have clapped your hands and stamped your feet and rejoiced with all the scorn of your soul against the land of Israel,
7 therefore, behold, I have stretched out My hand against you and I will give you for spoil to the nations. And I will cut you off from the peoples and make you perish from the lands; I will destroy you. Thus you will know that I am the LORD."
8 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Because Moab and Seir say, 'Behold, the house of Judah is like all the nations,'
9 therefore, behold, I am going to deprive the flank of Moab of its cities, of its cities which are on its frontiers, the glory of the land, Beth-jeshimoth, Baal-meon and Kiriathaim,
10 and I will give it for a possession along with the sons of Ammon to the sons of the east, so that the sons of Ammon will not be remembered among the nations.
11 "Thus I will execute judgments on Moab, and they will know that I am the LORD."
12 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Because Edom has acted against the house of Judah by taking vengeance, and has incurred grievous guilt, and avenged themselves upon them,"
13 therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "I will also stretch out My hand against Edom and cut off man and beast from it. And I will lay it waste; from Teman even to Dedan they will fall by the sword.
14 "I will lay My vengeance on Edom by the hand of My people Israel. Therefore, they will act in Edom according to My anger and according to My wrath; thus they will know My vengeance," declares the Lord GOD.
15 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Because the Philistines have acted in revenge and have taken vengeance with scorn of soul to destroy with everlasting enmity,"
16 therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will stretch out My hand against the Philistines, even cut off the Cherethites and destroy the remnant of the seacoast.
17 "I will execute great vengeance on them with wrathful rebukes; and they will know that I am the LORD when I lay My vengeance on them."'"
Of course the House of Judah is unlike other nations!
Atheists started the religious war,not us.I joined the war in early March,what had already begun.A group of Atheists said that a Christian female antifeminist could have been better if she were Atheist.
Doesn't prove a thing, these are just biblical texts.