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I am not suggesting going to church to look for women. Looking for women in the femisphere doesn't make sense and that includes churches. I am suggesting going to church just to meet decent people. Most people in mainstream culture are horrible, so I don't know of any other way just to meet decent people besides church.


Any society polluted by Atheism is terrible for any decent people.It has nothing to do with extreme feminism,liberalism and so on.Atheism is the problem.Secularism is the problem.Secularism is a disease which is epidemic these days due to the "modern" culture(or anti-culture).

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.




Abraham's father, Terach was an idol-manufacturer. Once he had to travel, so he left Abraham to manage the shop. People would come in and ask to buy idols. Abraham would say, "How old are you?" The person would say, "Fifty," or "Sixty". Abraham would say, "Isn't it pathetic that a man of sixty wants to bow down to a one-day-old idol?" The man would feel ashamed and leave.

One time a woman came with a basket of bread. She said to Abraham, "Take this and offer it to the gods".

Abraham got up, took a hammer in his hand, broke all the idols to pieces, and then put the hammer in the hand of the biggest idol among them.

When his father came back and saw the broken idols, he was appalled. "Who did this?" he cried. "How can I hide anything from you?" replied Abraham calmly. "A woman came with a basket of bread and told me to offer it to them. I brought it in front of them, and each one said, "I'm going to eat first." Then the biggest one got up, took the hammer and broke all the others to pieces."

"What are you trying to pull on me?" asked Terach, "Do they have minds?"

Said Abraham: "Listen to what your own mouth is saying? They have no power at all! Why worship idols?"

(Midrash Bereishit 38:13)


One of the world's worst disease is idolatry, especially the insane cult of buddho-idolatry which causes a very serious problem:
1.Marriage is forbidden in this cult. The cult of buddhism poisoned and still continue to poison many people with the evil and distorted idea that sex and marriage are evil and celibacy is the only good way in one's life. Unfortunately this cult continue to poison people with this idea which harms so many people.


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I dont want religious bullshit getting in the way, for me. Too many foreign brides are Catholic, a guilt-shame trip religion if
there ever was one. I am NOT going to a church of any kind to find a woman. Talk about corruption and the Roman-Catholic
church is full or corruption. They dont teach the preachings and sermons Jesus made, making them all hypocrites, to boot.

I agree not to go to church to look for women. And I agree that the Catholic church is totally corrupt. The best solution is to join an Eastern Orthodox church which is like an uncorrupted version of Catholicism, and then bring back a Catholic wife and convert her to Eastern Orthodox. My wife was Catholic and now goes to Eastern Orthodox church.

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I don't know these about the modern Catholic Church.You might describe me as a non-denomational/Evangelical Christian.But evil people usually could infiltrate the Church easily since real Christians usually couldn't tell pseudo-Christians from real ones.Since pretension is possible and it could be used for personal gains,the Catholic Church decayed shortly after it became the majority.I believe that most Christians in Saudi Arabia are real ones while those in some nominal Christian countries might not be real Christians.As long as the label Christian could offer you anything,such as trust from others,there would be many hypocrites who pretend to be Christians and they usually take over Churches.

Our Saviour Jesus Christ warns us of the hypocrites,who couldn't be identified by us.That's why the Church keeps going bad.The good couldn't stop the evil in Church unless God our LORD intervenes.Communism in the early Church might have failed if God our LORD didn't give Saint Peter ability to identify those who cheat.

Just see the problem with porn as a simple example.Real Christian priests who couldn't resist porn confessed and resigned while pseudo-Christian priests don't resign.Then the pseudo-Christian priests are promoted to replace the real-Christian priests.Then pseudo-Christians gradually take over the Church.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.




Abraham's father, Terach was an idol-manufacturer. Once he had to travel, so he left Abraham to manage the shop. People would come in and ask to buy idols. Abraham would say, "How old are you?" The person would say, "Fifty," or "Sixty". Abraham would say, "Isn't it pathetic that a man of sixty wants to bow down to a one-day-old idol?" The man would feel ashamed and leave.

One time a woman came with a basket of bread. She said to Abraham, "Take this and offer it to the gods".

Abraham got up, took a hammer in his hand, broke all the idols to pieces, and then put the hammer in the hand of the biggest idol among them.

When his father came back and saw the broken idols, he was appalled. "Who did this?" he cried. "How can I hide anything from you?" replied Abraham calmly. "A woman came with a basket of bread and told me to offer it to them. I brought it in front of them, and each one said, "I'm going to eat first." Then the biggest one got up, took the hammer and broke all the others to pieces."

"What are you trying to pull on me?" asked Terach, "Do they have minds?"

Said Abraham: "Listen to what your own mouth is saying? They have no power at all! Why worship idols?"

(Midrash Bereishit 38:13)


One of the world's worst disease is idolatry, especially the insane cult of buddho-idolatry which causes a very serious problem:
1.Marriage is forbidden in this cult. The cult of buddhism poisoned and still continue to poison many people with the evil and distorted idea that sex and marriage are evil and celibacy is the only good way in one's life. Unfortunately this cult continue to poison people with this idea which harms so many people.


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I met a lot of scumbags far from any usual definition of decent going to the church... that is, back when I used to go there :mrgreen:

Which religion?

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My problem with this is simple...

Religion = Bullshit.

I don't do either.

Sorry fschimidt, and please don't take offence. But unfortunately the scientist inside me tells me that organised religion is just one big pile of bollocks.

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Any society polluted by Atheism is terrible for any decent people.It has nothing to do with extreme feminism,liberalism and so on.Atheism is the problem.Secularism is the problem.Secularism is a disease which is epidemic these days due to the "modern" culture(or anti-culture).

Here we disagree. Any decadent religion is bad. Many of the pagan religions were decadent at the time of Jesus which is why the New Testament urges separation. Worship of Baal in the Old Testamant was evil. It's not just Atheism. But there very worst religion is one that misuses God's name. One of the Ten Commandments says "Do not misuse the name of the LORD your God, because the LORD will not leave anyone unpunished who misuses His name." This is exactly what liberal Christianity and Judaism do, making them even worse than atheism.

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My problem with this is simple...

Religion = Bullshit.

I don't do either.

Sorry fschimidt, and please don't take offence. But unfortunately the scientist inside me tells me that organised religion is just one big pile of bollocks.


Please point out the bullshit in Karaite Skepticism.

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Look. You are religious. I am not.

Your decision to be religious is yours alone, and you are perfectly entitled to it.

Please respect mine NOT to be religious eh?

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Look. You religious. I am not.

Your decision to be religious is yours alone, and you are perfectly entitled to it.

Please respect mine NOT to be religious eh?

That's fine but saying "Religion = Bullshit" isn't respecting my decision, is it? So here's the deal; you don't trash religion and I will respect your decision not to be religious.

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I don't buy the "femisphere" = bad, outside the "femisphere" = wonderful generalisation that goes on here. However I will say that I find I get on extremely well with the women (and the men) from outside the Western/Anglophone World, probably even better than those in the Western World, but I have had my fair share of negative experiences with the former aswell, just like the latter.

As for the church, you can keep it.

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Look. You religious. I am not.

Your decision to be religious is yours alone, and you are perfectly entitled to it.

Please respect mine NOT to be religious eh?

That's fine but saying "Religion = Bullshit" isn't respecting my decision, is it? So here's the deal; you don't trash religion and I will respect your decision not to be religious.



Fair point.

I wish I could have faith; I might not feel so alone then. But, unfortunately, science provides me with my answers. I even feel one day science will eliminate Incel via the perfection and use of female androids.

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I have 2 standard suggestions for everyone; look for wife outside the femisphere and join a traditional church. I understand that some can't leave the femisphere at the moment. But what is stopping you from joining a church? Of course I am addressing those guys who aren't thrilled with modern culture. A church won't solve incel but at least you could meet some decent people. When you eventually bring a woman back from outside the femisphere, you can introduce her to a community (the church) that won't corrupt her.

I'll be blunt... Because I feel being manipulated into buying/joining/doing something? Just like by those fucktards who try to market so-called 'pheromone-laces perfume', that will turn all ladies in your proximity to hang around your neck?
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Hey, incel! Yeah, I know your're just a sad pathetic incel, but why don't you buy 'thingie'TM? It's awesome! And some voodoo experts say it can cure you from incel! Order your 'thingie'TM now!
That is tricking nobody. Church of 'endless happiness' counts too. :rofl:

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Any society polluted by Atheism is terrible for any decent people.It has nothing to do with extreme feminism,liberalism and so on.Atheism is the problem.Secularism is the problem.Secularism is a disease which is epidemic these days due to the "modern" culture(or anti-culture).

Here we disagree. Any decadent religion is bad. Many of the pagan religions were decadent at the time of Jesus which is why the New Testament urges separation. Worship of Baal in the Old Testamant was evil. It's not just Atheism. But there very worst religion is one that misuses God's name. One of the Ten Commandments says "Do not misuse the name of the LORD your God, because the LORD will not leave anyone unpunished who misuses His name." This is exactly what liberal Christianity and Judaism do, making them even worse than atheism.


Well,liberal Christianity is an oxymoron.Liberalism itself is a result of lacking of religion.Atheism is a desease and liberalism is on of the syndroms.Liberal means lack of morality while Christianity of course values morality."Liberal Christianity" is like unhealthy healthy,black white or things like that.

Well,could you please tell me what's your stance on violence?How to reduce violence?Could non-violence defeat violence?Or...violence usually could only be dealt with using more violence?This is important in Atheist Orwellianism.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.




Abraham's father, Terach was an idol-manufacturer. Once he had to travel, so he left Abraham to manage the shop. People would come in and ask to buy idols. Abraham would say, "How old are you?" The person would say, "Fifty," or "Sixty". Abraham would say, "Isn't it pathetic that a man of sixty wants to bow down to a one-day-old idol?" The man would feel ashamed and leave.

One time a woman came with a basket of bread. She said to Abraham, "Take this and offer it to the gods".

Abraham got up, took a hammer in his hand, broke all the idols to pieces, and then put the hammer in the hand of the biggest idol among them.

When his father came back and saw the broken idols, he was appalled. "Who did this?" he cried. "How can I hide anything from you?" replied Abraham calmly. "A woman came with a basket of bread and told me to offer it to them. I brought it in front of them, and each one said, "I'm going to eat first." Then the biggest one got up, took the hammer and broke all the others to pieces."

"What are you trying to pull on me?" asked Terach, "Do they have minds?"

Said Abraham: "Listen to what your own mouth is saying? They have no power at all! Why worship idols?"

(Midrash Bereishit 38:13)


One of the world's worst disease is idolatry, especially the insane cult of buddho-idolatry which causes a very serious problem:
1.Marriage is forbidden in this cult. The cult of buddhism poisoned and still continue to poison many people with the evil and distorted idea that sex and marriage are evil and celibacy is the only good way in one's life. Unfortunately this cult continue to poison people with this idea which harms so many people.


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Actually there is another problem when we deal with Atheism.Since we have higher standard of morality than many non-religious people,which means that unless God our LORD intervenes,we are usually on the defensive side since we are week due to lack of choice resulted from morality.More morality you have,less choices you have.Then we might not deal with Atheism effectively.Then there are two choices,the first is using Christian way to deal with Atheism,which means that we should refrain from cheating,Orwellianism and things like that.The second is to use any possible way to deal with Atheism,which means that we could do anything for God our LORD just like some evil people could do anything for his/her personal gains.Since unless God our LORD intervenes,dealing with Atheism using Christian way would usually be ineffective while we couldn't be Christians if we promote Christianity using unchristian ways,it's not easy for us to deal with Atheism.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.




Abraham's father, Terach was an idol-manufacturer. Once he had to travel, so he left Abraham to manage the shop. People would come in and ask to buy idols. Abraham would say, "How old are you?" The person would say, "Fifty," or "Sixty". Abraham would say, "Isn't it pathetic that a man of sixty wants to bow down to a one-day-old idol?" The man would feel ashamed and leave.

One time a woman came with a basket of bread. She said to Abraham, "Take this and offer it to the gods".

Abraham got up, took a hammer in his hand, broke all the idols to pieces, and then put the hammer in the hand of the biggest idol among them.

When his father came back and saw the broken idols, he was appalled. "Who did this?" he cried. "How can I hide anything from you?" replied Abraham calmly. "A woman came with a basket of bread and told me to offer it to them. I brought it in front of them, and each one said, "I'm going to eat first." Then the biggest one got up, took the hammer and broke all the others to pieces."

"What are you trying to pull on me?" asked Terach, "Do they have minds?"

Said Abraham: "Listen to what your own mouth is saying? They have no power at all! Why worship idols?"

(Midrash Bereishit 38:13)


One of the world's worst disease is idolatry, especially the insane cult of buddho-idolatry which causes a very serious problem:
1.Marriage is forbidden in this cult. The cult of buddhism poisoned and still continue to poison many people with the evil and distorted idea that sex and marriage are evil and celibacy is the only good way in one's life. Unfortunately this cult continue to poison people with this idea which harms so many people.


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Well,liberal Christianity is an oxymoron.Liberalism itself is a result of lacking of religion.Atheism is a desease and liberalism is on of the syndroms.Liberal means lack of morality while Christianity of course values morality."Liberal Christianity" is like unhealthy healthy,black white or things like that.

Liberal Christianity is where they believe the basic Christian doctrine, like Jesus was the son of God and all that, but that God is a liberal who loves divorce, promiscuity, selfish inconsiderate behavior, etc. This is very common in America.

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Well,could you please tell me what's your stance on violence?How to reduce violence?Could non-violence defeat violence?Or...violence usually could only be dealt with using more violence?This is important in Atheist Orwellianism.

I follow the Old Testament which had no problem with violence at all. Violence is fine when it is justified.

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Pavel_Tomarov wrote:
Well,liberal Christianity is an oxymoron.Liberalism itself is a result of lacking of religion.Atheism is a desease and liberalism is on of the syndroms.Liberal means lack of morality while Christianity of course values morality."Liberal Christianity" is like unhealthy healthy,black white or things like that.

Liberal Christianity is where they believe the basic Christian doctrine, like Jesus was the son of God and all that, but that God is a liberal who loves divorce, promiscuity, selfish inconsiderate behavior, etc. This is very common in America.

LOL!
These "liberal" things are against the Holy Bible.This is actually worse than Atheism itself.It is the Atheist infiltration to the Church.It could mislead people.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.




Abraham's father, Terach was an idol-manufacturer. Once he had to travel, so he left Abraham to manage the shop. People would come in and ask to buy idols. Abraham would say, "How old are you?" The person would say, "Fifty," or "Sixty". Abraham would say, "Isn't it pathetic that a man of sixty wants to bow down to a one-day-old idol?" The man would feel ashamed and leave.

One time a woman came with a basket of bread. She said to Abraham, "Take this and offer it to the gods".

Abraham got up, took a hammer in his hand, broke all the idols to pieces, and then put the hammer in the hand of the biggest idol among them.

When his father came back and saw the broken idols, he was appalled. "Who did this?" he cried. "How can I hide anything from you?" replied Abraham calmly. "A woman came with a basket of bread and told me to offer it to them. I brought it in front of them, and each one said, "I'm going to eat first." Then the biggest one got up, took the hammer and broke all the others to pieces."

"What are you trying to pull on me?" asked Terach, "Do they have minds?"

Said Abraham: "Listen to what your own mouth is saying? They have no power at all! Why worship idols?"

(Midrash Bereishit 38:13)


One of the world's worst disease is idolatry, especially the insane cult of buddho-idolatry which causes a very serious problem:
1.Marriage is forbidden in this cult. The cult of buddhism poisoned and still continue to poison many people with the evil and distorted idea that sex and marriage are evil and celibacy is the only good way in one's life. Unfortunately this cult continue to poison people with this idea which harms so many people.


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