No, really, they exist!
http://antisex.info/en/index.html

I still don't get whether most of their members are asexuals or LS/incel.
Oh well, you can never know what kind of movements people create.
I wonder, would this community be of any use to our members? Definitely not for me, since I am a goddamn perv!

I read a bit of that site and they seem insane! They even use the word propaganda to describe their work. And nothing, NOTHING can ever be taken seriously if it is propaganda. These basically seem like a load of people who have been hurt by sex, have never had it and are jealous, or misguided fools who believe all this crap.

A very interesting find, IY. I'd join them if I can. They might come off as too extreme, but a lot of their arguments are spot-on. I also believe that sex in itself is the cause of too many woes across the world and abstinence is often the most reasonable option.

Remember that English is not their first language. I don't know about Russian but in Polish there's a very similar word which basically means "to spread, disseminate" and actually has little to do with propaganda.

Also, IY, if you boast so much of being a perv, then I wonder if you're LS/incel at all.

Well, it's quite an extreme point of view. It is, though, quite a refreshing change from all the "sex-positive" propaganda around that tells people that anything they do is okay as long as it's consensual. I don't think sex is a direct cause of misfortunes, but like money, it routinely motivates a lot of people to do horrible things. Still, a sex-neutrality movement would probably make more sense. Too bad neutrality isn't newsworthy.

I do not believe in telling others how/when/where/with-whom to have sex. However, I do agree with the assertion that people should strive to control their sexual urges, and treat it as somthing more than a bodily function to be reserved for those they have a deeper connection with.

sex is the problem only to the extent that eating is the source of obesity...
time to stop eating?

Or something along the lines of responsible sexuality, for yourself and others.

Anti-sexuality in the sense of trying to pass laws to prohibit people from having sex (or even limiting their choices) = very bad. Prohibition never works... and always makes things ten times worse. Always.

Educating people of the damage that runaway hypersexuality has caused and is causing so they can hopefully make the choice to avoid irresponsible sex = very good idea.
If someone wants to call that anti-sexuality, then so be it.

Sex-neutrality movements already exist, the asexual community is probably the most widely known example. I think it's anti-sex movements that are actually refreshing and necessary for this spoilt society.

No. People who gorge themselves to the point of obesity are only responsible for themselves, and nobody else. If an obesity-associated disease occurs to them, they would have virtually brought it upon themselves. But people obsessed with sex who eagerly engage in promiscuous behaviour are also responsible for others - there's always a risk of pregnancy, STDs and - last but not least - sex always requires at least two people. It simply takes two to tango, not to mention group sex and other filthy deviations.
Another thing, there is no pro-eating propaganda out there. Quite the contrary, the media encourage people to live a healthy lifestyle, if possible. There are fast foods and other shit, but it's irrelevant anyway. What matters is that no one is brainwashed enough to feel "empowered" because of eating more than others, and those who eat less don't get shamed for no apparent reason.

ok, so analogy doesn't stretch to every conceivable property of it.
my point was that these things only become a problem when they are abused. sex isn't the problem. food isn't the problem. people are the problem.

I agree, but I must admit I've grown much less liberal in the course of time. Sex is too much of a difficult matter to let people abuse it whenever they want to. You can always bring up freedom of choice and so on, but given that the majority of folks are nowhere near tolerant of those who don't have sex, I'm dubious if there actually is any freedom we can talk about... It's always the haves who can openly abuse the have-nots in the name of so-called freedom...

I disagree.

so, you're saying that people can't be trusted to utilise these things responsibly? Because that kinda confirms my point.

Of course, I am an LS/incel. By 'perv', I mean my inner desires and 'naughty-naughty-naughty' thoughts which only get executed in the real world very discreetly and privately. I am not too shy to write a porn story, but too skillless/shy to make it real. At least I try not to be seen. So far: attempted nude walk in park, a couple of visits to the pay-per-visit ladies, semi-public place masturbation, some gigabytes of peculiar non-conventional (still legal!) pr0n, some tsk-tsk-tsk 'bad-behaved boy' touches of familiar girls. Nothing special. Still no real love, no real sex, no real relationships. Typical.

Also, I wonder, why such a term as 'anti-sex' is only well-known in Russia or thereabouts? I guess it is because the movement originated here, and never was known in the west at all. So I guess, not all popular streams of thoughts in the last 2 decades in ex-USSR were copied from the west (such as LGBT, feminism, liberalism, new age, etc, etc, etc in every aspect of life); some are born on the place itself. My guess it is a reaction to radically changed lifestyle after the breakup in early 1990s - previously in USSR there was 'no sex'! (in the media, that is)

Fair enough....

Give me one example in history where it actually worked.

How much time have you spent in the asexual community? At least from what I know of AVEN, sex-positivity is the officially enforced norm. Asexuality is obviously defended as valid and good, but so is every expression of sexuality. There's barely any talk about responsibility and morals. True, it's a lot richer and less relativistic than the social justice movement, but you still can't say things like "the number of sexual partners a person has had is relevant" or "promiscuity can be damaging at the social and individual level" without getting accused of "slut-shaming" and policing people's sex lives.


I partly agree with your point; it's true that eating excessively is not seen as something to take pride upon by society at large, and "body acceptance" movements usually only have an effect at the individual or small scale level. However, there is quite a lot of eating propaganda in the form of fast food advertising, and judging by the results, it's not irrelevant in the slightest. You can't go out on Valentine's day without being guilt tripped into buying chocolates, for example.

Recently my country (which has a high child obesity rate) took a stand, by banning the sale of fast food snacks in elementary schools, and forcing manufacturers to label their products more clearly. Getting back to the point, it's still ironic that if you watch the food you put in your body, you're seen as irresponsible, but if you take the same approach to sexuality, no one has the "right" to criticize you.