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Onkel Willie · **Posted:** 07 Aug 2012, 15:24

fschmidt wrote:

Thank God and the Russian Orthodox church, Pussy Riot has been stopped.

Pussy Riot protested against the autocracy of Tsar Putin (he is a Tsar for all intents and purposes, only lacking the official title). The Russian Orthodox Church supports his regime. So what you're saying is that you prefer Tsarist autocracy, oligarchy, corruption, censorship, political imprisonment supported by the Church over democracy, freedom of speech etc.

Onkel Willie · **Posted:** 07 Aug 2012, 15:26

Pavel_Tomarov wrote:

Onkel Willie wrote:

The fact that Jews thrive means nothing. This is a logical fallacy known as 'post hoc ergo propter hoc'. Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "after this, therefore because of this", is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one." It is often shortened to simply post hoc and is also sometimes referred to as false cause, coincidental correlation, or correlation not causation.

Post hoc is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence appears to be integral to causality. The fallacy lies in coming to a conclusion based solely on the order of events, rather than taking into account other factors that might rule out the connection.

In short, that the Old Testament says the Jews are God's chosen people and that some Jews are successful doesn't mean God actually exists. It would be the same as saying that the Nazis were right about German superiority because Germany is now the strongest European economy.

The problem is that Atheists always force Christians to prove everything.So any evidence(not proof!) is not sufficient.On the other hand, Atheists never provide anything to support their claim.Agnosticism is really in the center and Agnostics have no belief at all.Both Christians and Atheists have claims and both should show evidence.

I wrote an entire thread (in my sig) that supports atheism. I also posted arguments before that support God's non-existence. You choose to ignore what you cannot refute and then claim that atheists never back up their points :roll:

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Pavel_Tomarov wrote:

Ad trollium.....Whenever someone advocates for Christianity, he/she is a troll/foolish.Whenever someone advocates for Atheism,lol.....

It's because you're very abrasive by continuously going on about God our lord. Not everyone considers him 'their lord' and you annoy them. Instead you could post about how Christianity helped YOU.

Secondly, your so-called proof of God is nothing more than flimsy correlations and 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' arguments. Learn how to debate and then come back to us.

foxyproxy · **Posted:** 07 Aug 2012, 18:22

Pavel_Tomarov wrote:

Ad trollium.....Whenever someone advocates for Christianity, he/she is a troll/foolish.Whenever someone advocates for Atheism,lol.....

foxyproxy wrote:

The constant "God Our Lord" shit in bold huge print in every thread is the prime example.

fschmidt · **Posted:** 07 Aug 2012, 19:50

Onkel Willie wrote:

Pussy Riot protested against the autocracy of Tsar Putin (he is a Tsar for all intents and purposes, only lacking the official title). The Russian Orthodox Church supports his regime. So what you're saying is that you prefer Tsarist autocracy, oligarchy, corruption, censorship, political imprisonment supported by the Church over democracy, freedom of speech etc.

Pussy Riot trespassed on the Orthodox church and acted like disgusting liberals. I couldn't care less what Pussy Riot does on their own private property. But the church should be free of such scum.

Onkel Willie · **Posted:** 07 Aug 2012, 20:24

fschmidt wrote:

Onkel Willie wrote:

Pussy Riot protested against the autocracy of Tsar Putin (he is a Tsar for all intents and purposes, only lacking the official title). The Russian Orthodox Church supports his regime. So what you're saying is that you prefer Tsarist autocracy, oligarchy, corruption, censorship, political imprisonment supported by the Church over democracy, freedom of speech etc.

Pussy Riot trespassed on the Orthodox church and acted like disgusting liberals. I couldn't care less what Pussy Riot does on their own private property. But the church should be free of such scum.

Not if said Church is a corrupt institution that supports an oppressive dictatorship, which is exactly what the Russian Orthodox Church is doing. They went from the oppressed in Soviet times to align with the new oppressors that followed after the fall of the Soviet regime.

If the Russian church had any balls at all it would object to fraudulent elections, lack of due process, censorship, locking up political opponents without trials, corruption and oligarchy. Instead, however, the church in Russia chooses to support the authorities instead.

Not_Your_Average_Joe · **Posted:** 07 Aug 2012, 20:56

You know... I've never openly admitted this before, but everytime my grandma tells me to "Pray to Jesus and Jesus will help you", I resent her for saying it. Don't get me wrong, I love my Grandma. Unfortunately, I know how it works. And I'm not asking God for an favors/special treatment. I'll accept my punishment as an Incel. Hell... I've never been much of anything else anyway.

gmartinfan · **Posted:** 08 Aug 2012, 00:11

Onkel Willie. You are "wrong" about the Eastern Orthodox Church "supporting" the Soviet regime.

Most churches were closed. Bibles were removed all libraries (except in some universities) most turned into of museums advocating the "victory" of the people. In fact, one of the churches in "Red Square" was truned into a giant "public restroom"

During the Stalin purges, almost 80% of the orthodox "priesthood" was worked and starved to death in the name of "the people" in the Gulag. The ones who "remained" and supported the Soviets were puppets and mouthing the Party and communist doctrine, equating it to scripture.

Even in Catholic Poland. The Catholic church was the ONLY thing that was perserving "Polish" identity during the 45 year comunist reign. Remember the "Solidarity" movement from 1979-1981? Remember "martial law" in Poland during the early 1980's?????

Onkel Willie · **Posted:** 08 Aug 2012, 01:43

gmartinfan wrote:

Onkel Willie. You are "wrong" about the Eastern Orthodox Church "supporting" the Soviet regime.

Most churches were closed. Bibles were removed all libraries (except in some universities) most turned into of museums advocating the "victory" of the people. In fact, one of the churches in "Red Square" was truned into a giant "public restroom"

During the Stalin purges, almost 80% of the orthodox "priesthood" was worked and starved to death in the name of "the people" in the Gulag. The ones who "remained" and supported the Soviets were puppets and mouthing the Party and communist doctrine, equating it to scripture.

Even in Catholic Poland. The Catholic church was the ONLY thing that was perserving "Polish" identity during the 45 year comunist reign. Remember the "Solidarity" movement from 1979-1981? Remember "martial law" in Poland during the early 1980's?????

Dude, learn to read. I said in my post that the Russian church was "THE OPPRESSED" in Soviet times.

Habakkuk · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2012, 12:35

Atheists are always like that.Whenever Christians debate Atheists,Atheists attack Christians personally and show high level of shaming and hostility while Christians only talk about Atheism.When I debated Atheists on Wrongplanet,they only give me these response:
1.You are foolish.
2.You are a troll.
3.Other things about me instead of the debate itself.

While Christians usually don't show hostility and seldom attack back, Atheists call "troll" and "ban" a lot.The religious war has ceased for several months, but Atheists' hostility never ceased.Christians are just too tired to debate them.

Onkel Willie · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2012, 12:42

Pavel_Tomarov wrote:

Atheists are always like that.Whenever Christians debate Atheists,Atheists attack Christians personally and show high level of shaming and hostility while Christians only talk about Atheism.When I debated Atheists on Wrongplanet,they only give me these response:
1.You are foolish.
2.You are a troll.
3.Other things about me instead of the debate itself.

While Christians usually don't show hostility and seldom attack back, Atheists call "troll" and "ban" a lot.The religious war has ceased for several months, but Atheists' hostility never ceased.Christians are just too tired to debate them.

I did not do any of these things. I presented reasonable arguments on many occasions.

pacman5741 · **Posted:** 09 Aug 2012, 21:39

Pavel_Tomarov wrote:

Onkel Willie wrote:

It's not evidence for God in my opinion. In my opinion, it's evidence that criticism of your belief system makes you unhappy. This doesn't prove anything about God's existence.

You are an aspie like me, but why do you accept Atheism which contains moral relativism which is alien to all aspergian mind?

Stigmata · **Posted:** 10 Aug 2012, 22:16

Why is religious debate so contagious, and why are people so emotionally invested in arguments about it on the internet? I suspect that everyone involved suffers from the same mental illness.

pacman5741 · **Posted:** 12 Aug 2012, 12:08

Stigmata wrote:

Why is religious debate so contagious, and why are people so emotionally invested in arguments about it on the internet?

Probably because religious people think their own set of beliefs are 100% truth and everything else is blasphemy. As for the nonreligious, perhaps they're concerned about the perceived evils done in religion's name? Just a hypothesis.

Nature Boy · **Posted:** 12 Aug 2012, 22:03

Onkel Willie wrote:

The fact that Jews thrive means nothing. This is a logical fallacy known as 'post hoc ergo propter hoc'. Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "after this, therefore because of this", is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one." It is often shortened to simply post hoc and is also sometimes referred to as false cause, coincidental correlation, or correlation not causation.

Post hoc is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence appears to be integral to causality. The fallacy lies in coming to a conclusion based solely on the order of events, rather than taking into account other factors that might rule out the connection.

In short, that the Old Testament says the Jews are God's chosen people and that some Jews are successful doesn't mean God actually exists. It would be the same as saying that the Nazis were right about German superiority because Germany is now the strongest European economy.

Apparently you missed or ignored my previous refutation of your incorrect understanding of post hoc, ergo propeter hoc:

Nature Boy wrote:

Wrong. This is not an example of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy (which means, literally, "after this, therefore because of this").

Pavel isn't stating anything about the chronological relationship between high average Jewish intelligence and being "God's chosen people".

His fallacy is more of a classic "appeal to authority" (argumentum ad verecundiam if you like Latin): Since Jews are smart, they must be right. (And by extension, the Jewish foundation of Christianity is right. Which still doesn't prove that Christianity is right, of course.)

Nature Boy · **Posted:** 12 Aug 2012, 22:03

Onkel Willie wrote:

The fact that Jews thrive means nothing. This is a logical fallacy known as 'post hoc ergo propter hoc'. Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "after this, therefore because of this", is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one." It is often shortened to simply post hoc and is also sometimes referred to as false cause, coincidental correlation, or correlation not causation.

Post hoc is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence appears to be integral to causality. The fallacy lies in coming to a conclusion based solely on the order of events, rather than taking into account other factors that might rule out the connection.

In short, that the Old Testament says the Jews are God's chosen people and that some Jews are successful doesn't mean God actually exists. It would be the same as saying that the Nazis were right about German superiority because Germany is now the strongest European economy.

Apparently you missed or ignored my response the last time you posted the above:

Nature Boy wrote:

Wrong. This is not an example of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy (which means, literally, "after this, therefore because of this").

Pavel isn't stating anything about the chronological relationship between high average Jewish intelligence and being "God's chosen people".

His fallacy is more of a classic "appeal to authority" (argumentum ad verecundiam if you like Latin): Since Jews are smart, they must be right. (And by extension, the Jewish foundation of Christianity is right. Which still doesn't prove that Christianity is right, of course.)

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