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fascinating first hand account of cbt/exposure therapy
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Author:  Stigmata [ 31 May 2011, 06:13 ]
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Do not, under any circumstance, accept isolation again. That will drive even a sociable person into introversion. Avoid it like the plague.

Indeed. Those mentally diseased introverts need to break out of their warm cocoons of comfort and start becoming more social! How can they go through life without talking to a single stranger about trite, inconsequential bullcrap?

Author:  onevision [ 05 Jun 2011, 23:31 ]
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It's a fascinating first hand account of CBT/exposure therapy, but it wouldn't have worked for me, because I wouldn't have been able to think of anything to say to random strangers on the street.

And the cute interns who helped with the treatment, as if they would have responded the same way if I had met them on the street. Even if they would have responded the same way, as if a random woman would have responded the same way. It could have happened, but it's unlikely.

Author:  Mr C. [ 27 Jun 2011, 21:18 ]
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could be a separate thread but I will put it here to get this thread exposure again. I found mention of the LSAS test for the study, and an online link where you can take it here.

To qualify for the study you needed to get a test result of 60 or above. Here is my result, and the scale of severity;

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Your score:
56 (fear) + 58 (avoidance) = 114


The scoring scale:
55-65 Moderate social phobia
65-80 Marked social phobia
80-95 Severe social phobia
Greater than 95 - Very severe social phobia


shit.

It'd be cool if people would post their results. In this case I'm actually interested in how the incels score, to see if they are noticeably lower than the love-shy's, though perhaps that might be better in it's own thread.

Author:  Weak [ 27 Jun 2011, 21:36 ]
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24 (fear) + 18 (avoidance) = 42

I think this quiz could be better. A lot of things like "taking a written test" or "urinating in a public bathroom" just don't frighten me as much as some borderline situations like calling a stranger or a person I don't know well or shit so a lot of questions got zero.
Also, stuff like talking in a group depends on how often you're comfortable in a group, which could depend on your knowledge and interest in the topic(s) they are discussing and their personality than your social anxiety.

I was a love-shy for a long time, now I am incel myself.

Author:  Small Pink Blob [ 27 Jun 2011, 21:51 ]
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(love-shy) 49 (fear) + 39 (avoidance) = 88

Hmm, not bad. :mrgreen: I used to be very avoidant, now I do stuff despite the fear.

I can relate a lot to the questions regarding "people [I] don't know very well". I don't have a hard time talking to strangers, but I get very uncomfortable talking to people I've seen around for a while but never talked to.

Looking forward to the incels' results.

Author:  Temperance [ 27 Jun 2011, 23:29 ]
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Your score:
31 (fear) + 25 (avoidance) = 56

Barely on the scale which fits with how I have been feeling and interacting with people lately. However if you make those phone calls, chats with small groups or other interactions anything to do with looking for employment the fear factor jumps through the roof. Along with avoidance and the tendency to stick with e mail applications.
Which of course is holding me back. I know that.
But I also know if they say no to me in person I will likely cry. Very professional - not. Gah.

Author:  foxyproxy [ 27 Jun 2011, 23:46 ]
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Your score:
7 (fear) + 19 (avoidance) = 26

Author:  Tich [ 28 Jun 2011, 05:59 ]
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42 (fear) + 48 (avoidance) = 90

If I had taken this test last year, I think I would've gotten closer to 115, so I've made some substantial improvements since then. The question about drinking in public isn't applicable to me because I don't drink, though I'd imagine that I'd react to it the same way I do to eating in public (which I'm fine with now, but used to be petrified of).

I don't see what taking a written test has to do with social phobia. The nerve-wracking part is waiting for the test to start, exchanging awkward glances with people. Once the test actually starts, it has a calming effect and I become very zen-like.

As far as the question about urinating in a public bathroom is concerned - I assume it was implied that said urination is to occur while other people are in the restroom. I'm fine using a urinal when I'm the only one in the restroom, but if there are other people using nearby urinals I won't be able to pee unless I'm on the verge of pissing my pants. I should add that I have a slight germ phobia, so I tend to avoid public restrooms as much as possible.

Author:  Ethnocide [ 16 Jul 2011, 04:36 ]
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Holy shit, this thread has been here for months and I haven't noticed it, whatsoever. I tend to overlook the stickies.

Ok, I have a few things to say about this before I post my test results. First of all, I believe the positive results that this person got from the people he encountered were probably vital to the success of the therapy. I don't believe that this therapy would have been successful without at least some positive exposures. In essence, this therapy tends to rely on luck.

Secondly, I don't know how useful this would be for Love-shys who aren't socially anxious, but are only LS.

Thirdly, (at the risk of being temp banned) I believe this quote is very telling:

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The group consisted of a latina girl who was 19 and attractive, a 21 year old attractive guy of european decent, me who was 22, tall, and decent looking, a business man in his late 20s who was asian but also attractive, and lastly another businessman who was 45 and married - his wife was the one who picked him up.


I apologise for including this, but it is absolutely an essential, real life factor at play in situations like these, and a large part of confidence. You can't just ignore it as a factor, I'm sorry. Let's be real.

I believe things like this:

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By this time, the alloted time was up and I had to head back to the meeting point. I felt amazing. Despite my nervousness, I approached three strangers - one of which was extremely attractive - and was not denied a single time. Not only that, but I learned a lot and enjoyed the context of the conversations as well. With the last girl, I said to myself 'wow, if only I wasn't so uncomfortable, I may have been able to get her number'. Right then and there something clicked in my mind...


Are probably essential to the success of the therapy. People need something positive to go on. Yes, as temperance was alluding to, the rejections are also a vital part of the process, just as vital as the positive experiences, but I don't believe this would work at all, if the person only got rejections, and I believe how the person looks would affect the reactions of the strangers. (Brace for temp ban)

Also, this type of therapy seems to be designed more for people who've created a psychological problem in their head, as opposed to people who's psychological problems stem from reactions to real life events. (Seb for example, became LS only after being traumatized by negative experiences in real life, vs these people who basically just hoarded themselves away and created their own anxiety this way)

Test scores:

3 (fear) + 52 (avoidance) = 55

I don't avoid out of fear, I avoid because I genuinely have little to no interest in socialising. I don't gain anything from it, it doesn't give me pleasure or pain. I only socialise to keep people I care about from feeling alienated by me. I want them to know that I don't dislike them as people, I just have little interest in interacting with them on any kind of regular basis.


In some ways, this forum has been like a sort of therapy to me, because I can interact with people in a manner in which I don't resent the context. No one asked me to come here, I don't have to worry too much about the people here, or hurting their feelings. I am not overly attached to anyone here, so I feel no responsibility towards people here, their problems won't ultimately spill over into my life (which always ends up happening inevitably with my friends or family). This forum is a pretty good place to escape from the constant drama in my life, because I just can't take this place seriously. It's like a funhouse.

/end long overdue response to thread.

Author:  Advanced [ 16 Jul 2011, 08:23 ]
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(pure incel)

Your score:
1 (fear) + 4 (avoidance) = 5


While I'm extroverted, outgoing, and don't have any social phobia....theres a couple things on that list I do hate. "Working while being observed" is one in particular. I don't have any fear of it.....but I find it annoying as all hell when someone's just hovering over me while I'm working. Well...technically I guess its not hovering OVER me since i'm so tall but you get the point. Maybe its just a pet peeve I have but I'm sure most people find that annoying.

Author:  Temperance [ 16 Jul 2011, 09:22 ]
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Advanced wrote:
(pure incel)

Your score:
1 (fear) + 4 (avoidance) = 5


While I'm extroverted, outgoing, and don't have any social phobia....theres a couple things on that list I do hate. "Working while being observed" is one in particular. I don't have any fear of it.....but I find it annoying as all hell when someone's just hovering over me while I'm working. Well...technically I guess its not hovering OVER me since i'm so tall but you get the point. Maybe its just a pet peeve I have but I'm sure most people find that annoying.

Yeah it's annoying. Unless I am directly showing or teaching someone something....... then I pretty much have to have them hover to see what I am doing.

Author:  Advanced [ 16 Jul 2011, 09:43 ]
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Temperance wrote:
Advanced wrote:
(pure incel)

Your score:
1 (fear) + 4 (avoidance) = 5


While I'm extroverted, outgoing, and don't have any social phobia....theres a couple things on that list I do hate. "Working while being observed" is one in particular. I don't have any fear of it.....but I find it annoying as all hell when someone's just hovering over me while I'm working. Well...technically I guess its not hovering OVER me since i'm so tall but you get the point. Maybe its just a pet peeve I have but I'm sure most people find that annoying.

Yeah it's annoying. Unless I am directly showing or teaching someone something....... then I pretty much have to have them hover to see what I am doing.


Yeah I dont mind if i'm teaching/training someone, in fact in that case I'd be annoyed if they didn't pay attention because that would mean I'm wasting my time. I also don't mind if I'm working WITH someone AND they have a good reason to watch what I'm doing.

Looking back I guess I should have put down 1 or 2 for that instead of a 3 for avoidance for that question because I don't mind under those circumstances. I just imagined someone standing over me watching me while I'm trying to work for no good reason, so I put a 3 because that shit annoys the fuck out of me and I usually tell whoever is watching me for no reason to go away.

Author:  subnormal [ 16 Jul 2011, 09:46 ]
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58 (fear) + 63 (avoidance) = 121

Author:  Temperance [ 16 Jul 2011, 09:58 ]
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Advanced wrote:
Temperance wrote:
Advanced wrote:
(pure incel)

Your score:
1 (fear) + 4 (avoidance) = 5


While I'm extroverted, outgoing, and don't have any social phobia....theres a couple things on that list I do hate. "Working while being observed" is one in particular. I don't have any fear of it.....but I find it annoying as all hell when someone's just hovering over me while I'm working. Well...technically I guess its not hovering OVER me since i'm so tall but you get the point. Maybe its just a pet peeve I have but I'm sure most people find that annoying.

Yeah it's annoying. Unless I am directly showing or teaching someone something....... then I pretty much have to have them hover to see what I am doing.


Yeah I dont mind if i'm teaching/training someone, in fact in that case I'd be annoyed if they didn't pay attention because that would mean I'm wasting my time. I also don't mind if I'm working WITH someone AND they have a good reason to watch what I'm doing.

Looking back I guess I should have put down 1 or 2 for that instead of a 3 for avoidance for that question because I don't mind under those circumstances. I just imagined someone standing over me watching me while I'm trying to work for no good reason, so I put a 3 because that shit annoys the fuck out of me and I usually tell whoever is watching me for no reason to go away.


I answered assuming they were watching for the hell of it too.....

Author:  GrinSweeper [ 16 Jul 2011, 16:11 ]
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Your score:
31 (fear) + 39 (avoidance) = 70


The scoring scale:
55-65 Moderate social phobia
65-80 Marked social phobia
80-95 Severe social phobia
Greater than 95 - Very severe social phobia

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