I am quite wealthy as are many of my friends (indeed most of them are better off than me). We have good, well paid jobs, investments, property. Most of us are university educated and have professional qualifications. The blokes vary from average to good looking, mostly tall and a few of us are gym bunnies.

Our standard of living is what many of you on this forum can expect to achieve, if you have not already done so. Most posters here are of above average intelligence and have degrees or are studying towards a degree. So there is nothing particularly special about us.

So I have money, dress expensively, drive a decent car, go to expensive bars and hotels in London, travel extensively.

A few of my mates are oversexed and will shag anything on two legs. But they never phone the woman back and have no wish to ever see them again. They have sex with 30/50 women a year. Thousands over a lifetime and hardly ever see the same woman twice.

They are however a minority as my mates and I are generally very fussy about any women we chase. When it comes to marriage or longer term relationships most UK women don't stand a chance. The fat, ugly, stupid, uneducated, single parents (unless rich), girls from the wrong side of the tracks, golddiggers, slags, whatever don't get a look in. I don't date that often any longer (age, laziness and divorce) but the qualities we all seem to go for in a woman are:

Slim

Friendly

Attractive

Nicely spoken

Many of my mates go for attractive Asian girls and would not look twice at most UK women. Those mates who are married UK women have slim attractive, middle class wives who themselves have professional careers.

So the moral of this tale is:

Don't put all women on a pedestal

Some of you have the idea that obese, dumb sluts with seven kids by seven different fathers can have any man they want. Nothing is further from than the truth.

Men are fussy.Very fussy

This fits my experience in the dating world. Exceptions being of course for players who are so unfussy it's offensive.
Guys who are actually looking to settle down and are settled in themselves have a pretty clear idea of what they do and don't want in their lives.

It doesn't matter if men are fussy in their ideals, women are the gatekeepers of sex and relationships and their choices are all that matter.

Epic once again forgetting what kind of forum he is posting on

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But this is the whole point "picky".

Many , indeed most women don't get to make any choices when it comes to wealthy men.

They don't get a look in unless they themselves have qualities that guys like my mates and I find atractive. I don't want to sound unduly harsh here but a stereotypical overweight, unattractive, uneducated woman aged 45 with 4 kids by three different fathers , lives on benefits on a crummy social housing estate...

does not get to make a choice

she will be completely overlooked in favour of younger Asian women or educated English women.

The thread about wealthy men has nothing to do with prostitution - remember that I have been married and have grown up kids so when it comes to marriage/kids etc I have done that/read the book/worn the T shirt. I no longer care about finding anyone else long term and can concentrate on what I do best, sex with strangers.

The posters here are articulate, eloquent, intelligent and highly educated (or will be once they have finished their studies). The level of affluence that my mates and I enjoy is within the reach of most of you so on that basis you are "higher tier" . There is no need to sell yourselves short.

Thankyou - again you are the voice of reason.

Men tend not to marry "beneath" them or at least not too far beneath them.

University isn't the best way to become wealthy anymore. Intelligence helps, but education is barely relevant at all anymore. I know some 6-7 digit guys, none of who even passed highschool. Getting rich is about being industrious/cut-throat/intelligent/determined/lucky. Or being born/marrying into it. Education/university has little to do with the actual business world.

My observation is that the type of woman who is a single mother, overweight, and out of shape, is not even seen by most men, even men who might be considered "desperate" for a relationship, such as men who themselves are not attractive, overweight and even having health problems.

The other type of woman who is completely overlooked is the older woman who has nothing to offer. These women are invisible to almost all men, except perhaps men much older than themselves. I myself have been guilty of this, being at a social event and thinking to myself: "Why aren't there any women here?" when there are quite a few women in this category right in front of my face. I just don't see them at all.

Even the guys here who complain about women being "picky picky picky" immediately dismiss older women, forgetting about the fact that age is the single most determinant factor in a woman's attractiveness, far exceeding fitness and weight. For example, any young woman (less than 25 years old) will almost always be viewed as superior to a woman 60+ years no matter how well-preserved that older woman is, even if she is a retired ballet dancer and active yoga teacher and marathon runner. Age trumps everything.

Hmmm not so sure it's a voice of reason when those looking to settled down don't want me.

Actually I do and have said before I am not in the position I want to be and therefore can not blame them for not seeing me as a consideration in their life. Doesn't mean it doesn't hurt when we cant get past the "what do you do?" stage of a conversation and they have lost interest as there is much more to me than just what I 'do'.

Edit, I am not actually referring to wealthy men when I say them. I am meaning men that are ready to settle and want a long term relationship.
I am in a transition stage of working through my own crap, personal responsibilities and getting some realistic employment. Basically it's what I need to do to put myself in a position where I mentally feel I have something to offer. If I feel I have nothing to offer, no one else is going to think I do.

I think both sexes are guilty of this and it is purely unintentional. Not that it makes it any less hurtful to find yourself overlooked, even if it is my own fault I enjoyed chocolate a little too much over winter.

Too much chocolate is not an issue for me. I don't care too much about weight if the woman is strong and physically fit. And women who are thin and physically weak are a definite turn-off for me. Such women frighten me, since I constantly have the feeling I could injure her with almost nothing.

Careful... I might start to like your thinking. I mostly have the idea that there is no such thing as too much chocolate, providing I up the amount I walk and move about to compensate. Winter isn't such a great motivator for that last part.
Good thing we have nicer weather here now.

You may not like the kind of chocolate that I like. I like cocoa powder (no fat, no sugar) dissolved in hot water: this is extremely low calories and low fat. This was the original hot chocolate. Well, not exactly, the original hot chocolate was the entire ground bean dissolved in hot water, which includes the cocoa butter (fat) and cocoa powder.

It is an acquired taste. As for chocolate bars, I can only tolerate the darkest bitter blends. The sweet milk chocolate tastes like baby food to me.