Yes, so be it. The last thing I need is to become a slave to getting a girl, and to be completely frank I am not alone because I lack abdominal definition, nor is anyone here. going through massive life changes with the sole purpose of getting a women, only fucks you even more when you inevitably fail. I see it happening with a friend of mine, who is worse off than me. If you are drastically out of shape, than maybe your body prevents you from getting any women, but otherwise it will not be a reason for you to get absolutely nothing. It take a hell of alot of effort, will, and time to get in that sort of shape, and most people on Earth will not find getting there or maintaining it easy or enjoyable. It just really isn't necessary.

Many people have that stuff in their garage, but how much of America (where I live) is "jacked"? Lots of people have War and Peace on their shelf, but how many have read it? Lots of people have Rosetta Stone, but how many know ten languages? Normal people like to convince themselves that they will get in better shape, become more learned, and improve their general knowledge, and do any other number of things because they live boring repetitive lives and would like to be superior to the other boring repetitive people they associate with.

How is body building not time consuming? It's a lifestyle change.

Yep.

Well, it's the only time I noticed significant results. It was like getting paid to work out.

Exercising releases endorphins that make you feel better, at least for a brief amount of time. It is a free and legal high. Because of that, it can also be quite addictive once you get into the swing of it. The key is getting motivated enough to start.

Any activity that you can do for hours will not help you attain something like this.


You need something much more intense; a weight training routine that you can only do for 30-45 minutes tops.
One that would be built around the 3 power lifts, squat, deadlift, and benchpress.

So you're volcel? Most people here aren't. Most people here would like to increase their chances of finding someone. Most people here think that looks are all that matters to women. I'm trying to figure out why more people haven't tried to improve their looks by getting a hot body.




Nobody said that this would be a panacea for all LS/incel problems. I said that there were no downsides, and that it would increase the chances of finding someone, even if it's only by a little. There would obviously be a variation between people depending on the individual's personality, circumstances etc..




Nobody suggested this.



I'll bet I spend less time in the gym per week than most people spend sending text messages. I spend more time on this forum than I do on my strength training. 3 hours a week plus a better selection of food at the grocery store is all the time it takes.




You are a member of loveshy.com. You have no clue about what is or isn't necessary.

cameras a little far south there.

anyway what...... Haitian fight song said particularly this

you cant base your motivation on getting a girl you have to do it for yourself. You have to decide to take your life in that direction based on your life. Getting a girl could be a bonus objective. I have trouble with this... I base my motivation on women and when things don't go as planed or it looks like it won't work out I crash and burn and end up where i have been for the past month. Just sitting around... I was doin alright actually, was eating better and had a set schedule. Then I started interacting with my oneitis again. My motivation completely 180'd and I was going to the gym for her. I was doing just about everything with her in mind. Then I started thinking to myself "None of her previous bfs have been big guys, one was even skinnier than me!" So I didn't see a point to going anymore and my depression doesn't help either.

It would definitely help me if I had a workout buddy, but only one of my friends works out and he goes to a different gym than I do. And I don't wanna pay for a membership... (Currently on a family membership)

And yeah I don't feel like getting jacked will solve my problems. I wish getting rid of LS was as easy as going to gym I'd be in there all the time. I imagine it could make things easier... but that's a sandy foundation to build a way of life on.

i would sig that... but im not through with my current sig yet

There's no option for me. I don't wanna get jacked. I would like to get skinny so I can fit into some tighter clothes, but I don't want bulk.

This is total BS. Programs recommend short routines because most people don't have much time, or complain that they lack time. Longer routines can work if you have the time.

There is a difference between the sport of power lifting versus physical training to improve appearance. Doing just these 3 lifts will not necessarily improve physical appearance, depending on the situation of the individual. These lifts are often emphasized because they are the ones that are typically done to win strength contests, but that doesn't mean they are the only lifts needed to improve physical appearance. There are many many books by experts on improving appearance, and none of them recommend what you say. Just because there are a few goofballs on the internet pushing this viewpoint does not prove it is correct.

But YOU know, right ?

He's just an anonymous blowhard, like so many others on the internet.

Let him provide objective evidence from recognized experts who have won major contests, written books, etc. I am no expert, but I have quoted Bill Pearl and Arnold S. and provided references to their articles and books. They both have a lifetime of experience with their own achievements and coaching others.

Nah haitian's right. No one here is incel because they lack superb body definition. Maybe if you're extremely skinny or fat that could be holding you back...but I get the sense that most members are in a normal weight range, even more normal than the population as a whole. And most people are woefully out of shape anyways, normal weight range or not, and that doesn't stop them from dating other people.

What's holding us back is deficient social skills, and (maybe) subpar facial looks. Most looks is from the neck up anyways, good muscle definition is icing on the cake. But a lack of social skills or social shrewdness seems to be the common ailment among basically everyone here, in one form or another. Unfortunately, it seems to be exponentially more difficult to acquire with age. In some way or another, we have had our ability to interact with women using sexual cues shamed or traumatized out of us, and this makes them fail to be attracted to us more often than not. See adam's story for evidence of this.

Where working out might help is to give that extra testosterone boost that more muscle mass provides, to create more natural assertiveness so you have a natural "push" to try more often and engage the situation more directly. I don't know if it's true or just conjecture, but from my limited experiences of surging testosterone I've definitely felt more alive and engaged, like an actual sexual being who wants to pursue women (not an asexual person doomed to masturbation), etc. Making this permanent would definitely help with getting out of incel.

Ding, ding, ding!

I think that anyway if a guy does that just for women, he'll lose motivation if he sees that his romantic situation doesn't change or improve. It's like everything else in the improvement department, one should do that for himself, to feel better, like himself better too, because anyway this has an impact on how people sees him and well I'm sure it helps building self confidence too.