I told Seb, some time ago, that he should see become a regular of an escort he likes and get her advice on how to dress, do his hair, etc.

I inadvertantly followed this advice myself recently in the Philippines.

I spent a week with a girl I barfined in Angeles City. She gave me pretty much a total makeover - from my clothes to my hair to my posture. Her motivation was just to feel better about being seen with me. My advice to Seb was to be honest with his escort, and her motivation would be to help him, which would likely work assuming they had achieved some rapport (and if not, try another lady).

The results were quite astonishing. I won't detail them, but my little friend delighted in pointing out the attention I was suddenly receiving and had many opportunities to do that.

My facial looks didn't change - except she kept reminding me to smile more - and I was the same wretch but with different clothes and hair style.

So, this could well work for Seb, and other guys who think they are too ugly to attract women.

Note that this advice is country specific: to attract girls in Australia, ask an Australian etc. Note further that for guys who travel, it's not a bad idea to get a makeover from a local as they really do see things differently from us.

Finally, this probably works better with P4P girls because a regular girl who likes you will be reluctant to tell you how to look better for other girls, and one who is just a friend won't be honest because friends typically don't want their friends to change.

What was her advice and what results did it get, be more specific.

So if a woman asked you to dress in a clown costume would you do it? Supposing it pleased her and other women?

I don't see where the correlation is between dressing how women want and being better dressed. You may attract more women by giving into their advice, but this isn't because you're better dressed. It's because you dress how they like, whatever that may relatively be. Being better dressed is a different universal standard altogether. Same with grooming. What gets you looks from women likely will not get you respect from men. Skinny jeans are a good example.

There's no such thing as a universal standard of better dressed. Also I don't see what benefit there is to dressing in a manner that garners respect from men. The way men are these days, getting looks from women will also get you respect from men.

A suit and tie is pretty much a universal standard. Respect from men is a measure of your ability to succeed in everything else besides women. This means a job, morality, thinking ect. Men whom respect other men solely according to women's opinions usually lack the character traits for achieving anything else.

The basic premise here is doing what a woman wants is also a correlation for general improvement. There's some men whom are very skilled at dressing, talking and acting how women want. These men are very successful with women. But they are not successful in general, because the strategy for pleasing women is adapting to their irrationality.

I'm a boring dresser myself. I give little attention to fashion or elaborate grooming. But supposing I wanted to grow a foot long beard and wear a yamaka, I'm gonna damn well do it and she's gonna like it.

Suit and tie for some works sure go well, but in everyday life or if you don't have a suit&tie dress code in your company... I work in the video game / IT industry so people are dressed like crap for most of them and no one cares. I lived with a bunch of video games testers and IT guys who never wore anything but torn jeans revealing their butt, torn metal t-shirts, dirty shoes and all, some took a shower every 3 days and it never prevented them to get girls.

And I agree with Raskolnikov, there is not a standard of "being well dressed". Being French and living in Ireland I'm often like "wtf" when I see people in sporting suits and running shoes, but when most Irish people dress up it's just plainly over the top from my point of view. It's too much, too flashy, too many colours, with major mismatches though I'm sure they like what they wear and find their attire very elegant. It's just a matter of culture and personal taste.

My main disagreement is that dressing how women want is also a correlation for general improvement. I agree that dressing as a slob, thug or metrosexual can attract a certain type of women. But this is a locally advantageous - generally mal-adaptive strategy. If you only value succeeding with these type of women, then by all means appease them. But this means you'll fail in everything else. And you're at a woman's mercy, so if a woman desires you to dress like a clown, wear makeup or strut around in high heels, you'll have to follow suit without objection. Of course these are exaggerations, but I see minor examples of this appeasement every day from coworkers. Nearly every one of my coworkers has tattoos to impress women. Many put on that shiny jell shit in their hair, which forces them to sleep with hair coverings. All wear effeminate skinny jeans. And they all thug out with that stupid bling bling horse shit. The alternative, which I think is better, is to follow your own standards irrespective of women and find women whom respect your authority as the leader of the relationship.

Local customs obviously equal differences. The gap is not so wide though as to take up the lazy position that everything is relative. There's a reason why leaders of nations all wear suits, irrespective of geographical region, aside from perhaps the middle east.

I never said that you had to dress like a woman want, re read my post if necessary but I never mentioned anything like this. I was talking about your own taste, not some girl's. Your coworkers seem pretty ridiculous btw, wearing tattoos to impress girls and sleeping with hair coverings... And skinny jeans, seriously? that stuff should have been banned long ago, unless you go to a Panic at the Disco concert.

I don't dress as men would like girls to dress - I don't give a shit seriously, I have my own sense of elegance and proper attire, I know what fits me better and it's surely not the over-the-top skin-tight Penneys shitty outfits Irish girls so seem to like, nor the uber-fashionable stuff French girls adore.

My coworkers are ridiculous. Their whole behavior is geared towards being desperate, backstabbing, sex addicts. I'm more at peace than they'll ever be, even if I'm incel and they're not, because unlike them I feel no pressure to conform. I don't flirt with any female customers, I don't try acting like a tough bad boy and if a female customer tries teasing non-sexual favors out of me with sex appeal, I send the bitch packing.

Raskolnikov - you're quite right. There is no universal standard. That's why I said you should get a makeover, rather than reading about a makeover.

And it's not about dressing to impress. Or wearing a suit, or whatever.

Ask girls you trust - and P4P girls who seem to like you are a good start - wherever you live (or visit) and make the changes they suggest.

Maybe your glasses are geeky but your jacket is cool, or the reverse.

And you don't have to take her word. Make the change(s) and see if it works.
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I fucking guarantee that if Seb had tried this he'd have gotten dates. I've never bought that he was too ugly to score.

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