Many among us haven't had a relationship ever, unfortunately, as hard as we try. There are differences of opinion about when it's "too late" to turn yourself around and have a normal, adult love life and sex life.

In my personal opinion, it differs from person to person and from situation to situation. I, for example, consider my studies more important, and will have my BA degree next year at the soonest (I'll be 22 then). And I plan to continue to get my master's degree too which will take one year at the minimum.

Of course I do go out and have a social life which has improved my social skills and I would like to have a girlfriend. I have friends and have am not postponing trying to get a girlfriend since these kind of things can't be scheduled. I am, however, not actively dating (online or otherwise). I just go out and have fun, and have improved my social skills and looks (it's amazing what some gel in your hair can make a difference and attract attention). So far so good, you'd think.

Going out and building a social circle is what I'm doing. However, it doesn't seem to be working with most of my inner social circle being guys who don't understand my problem and give me PUA advice and an outer social circle (with some girls in it) who I don't mention this to. I find it discouraging that despite my self-improvements in looks and social skills, no women are interested in me whatsoever. I don't get beyond conversation and some flirting. Being friendzoned (at best) hurts my self-esteem.

Of course, I could try to get a girl drunk by buying her drinks so she'll sleep with me, but that's not what I want. That's what prostitutes are for and at least they're sober and it's quicker.

It's nice, but this situation is a stalemate. I'm thinking about doing online dating within the next year or two which is my last resort since I've already done everything else.

All this combined, I'll put my "point of no return" between 25 and 30. By then, most people think its creepy/weird that you've never had a relationship anyway and by then most women consider relational/sexual inexperience as a turn-off.

That's my story. What do you consider the point of no return, given your current situation (and past experiences)?

I'm turning 28 next month and I feel pretty damn hopeless. I mean if I couldn't get laid in six years of college where it's supposedly easier to do, what hope do I have now? Yeah, there's some guys who have conquered their incel past my age, but they're a minority. I think going abroad is my only real hope because American women are sick in the head.

I think if you haven't had any gf at 25 you're pretty fucked.
Of course there are alway exeptions...

I voted <20. More specifically, it's 18, as I have said before many times.

18 !! Fat chance

My mate Charlie Blenkinsop shagged the entire troupe of the Dagenham Girl Pipers and he was only 10.

So the answer is



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I'm not sure I'm totally sold on the idea of a rigid "Point of No Return".

I'm of the opinion that you could meet someone who you genuinally click with at any time. By clicking I mean a mutual attraction whereby you both enjoy each others company. If I'm to count the number of women I've clicked with over the last few years, or at least those I think I've clicked with, it stands at 3.
1 - A girl I ran into while I did shift work in a factory a few summers back as a student. Looking back, I really should have asked for her number or something, I just didn't at the time. I saw her quite regularly for a while, but then she got moved to a different shift, and I didn't see her again.
2 - My only proper girlfriend, unexpectedly started on an online discussion forum.
3 - A chinese girl who works in a restaurant near enough to where I live. However given the fact that I'll be leaving the UK come September, having done the whole long distance thing in the past I don't fancy doing it again, that is of course should anything materialize should I make a move. So I think she'll join the list of big failed opportunities aswell.

In my case this has all been without a whole pile of effort to actually socialize and meet new people, and has happened unexpectedly in each case. Hence, I'm inclined to extrapolate that if I make an effort and "Get Out There" more, the frequency of occurence when it comes to women that there'll be a spark with will increase. So, given that, I'm of the opinion that it's possible, less likely as you get older admittedly, but still possible nonentheless that you could meet someone with whom you click no matter what age or level of experience you possess.

However if I'm still where I am come ~35 I may have quite a different opinion.

Gone for 32-35, mainly cos otherwise, I've gone past it or at least very unlikely to meet it. People already have kids at this point, later than this, the best you'll hope for is to to be a surrogate father to kids which i think would leave me unfulfilled. I think I'd personally not go for this so I'd miss out the whole DSR.

I think there are multiple points of no return:

18-22: First kiss
25-30: First relationship
30-35: Lose virginity
35-40: Marriage

Miss any of those expiration dates and you are pretty much boned, statistically.

15.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I don't think there is ever really a point of no return. It's always possible to get a girlfriend or get laid, or both, or whatever you're trying to do. Of course, it's not easy to get laid or get a g/f, but it's possible is what I'm saying. I don't agree with setting an age where you give up on love or sex.

Actually, I've decided that if I haven't had sex by the time I'm 40, I'm going to do everything I can to just have sex one time with a girl I'm attracted to. I'm going to do that because I want to have sex before I can't have sex ever, I want to at least experience sex some time in my life.

"I don't think there is ever really a point of no return. It's always possible to get a girlfriend or get laid, or both, or whatever you're trying to do. Of course, it's not easy to get laid or get a g/f, but it's possible is what I'm saying. I don't agree with setting an age where you give up on love or sex.

Actually, I've decided that if I haven't had sex by the time I'm 40, I'm going to do everything I can to just have sex one time with a girl I'm attracted to. I'm going to do that because I want to have sex before I can't have sex ever, I want to at least experience sex some time in my life."

A very sound reply.

I agree with you, there is not actually any dead end, except then when you cant get "it" up. Use it or lose it. Its like travelling. You are going one direction of a road, and you are destined to arrive to the city of "Timbuktu". If you keep walking and walking and never arrive to the "Timbuktu", then we could conclude that either you're on the wrong road or the city doesn't even exist. Its same deal with the love shy issue. At some point its starting to be useless to blame everything on women and stay bitter, angry and resentful. You need a new road or drive into your life. Either you arent ever getting or are, you need to cure from this disease. You need to stop blaming and start living. Transpose from the dubious bitter love shy to the sound happy love shy.

This philosophy thing is really cracking down.

It's not a sudden drop off, and contingent on particular circumstances as well. Can be as early as early 20s or as late as 40something, when it becomes psychologically impossible to involve yourself further in this game.
If you were marked as a child as a problematic person, it will probably stick with you and manifest as true hopelessness by age 25 at the latest. Of course, you can always throw yourself at the problem and maybe find some successes, but it becomes increasingly futile.

The worst mistake you can make is procrastinating, and thinking that only if you fulfill certain social requirements can you bother yourself with women. Of course these things do matter, but making them absolute requirements is exactly what they want you to do - your eyes and focus are directed where they want them to be, and you do things that won't help you whatsoever. It's the perfect slave mentality.

Rather than tell people to give up at an arbitrary age, I can only say - know when it's a losing game, and when to quit for your own sake.

25.

It's "too late" to turn yourself around and have a normal, adult love life and sex life: age 14 or 15. I already explained it a few times.

It's "too late" to turn yourself around and have a close to normal, adult love life and sex life: around the age of 30, it's quite difficult to establish the exact point.