According to most people in the world, "it's always the male's fault when they fail at dating." It's always, "you've don't have game," "you have to initiate the conversation," "man up"....that's the kind of shit they tell us when we complain about how one-sided the dating world is.

Most people will look for anything, they will say something retarded if need be, as long as what they say blames the guy for his dating failure. There seems to see this pro-female alliance that has spread across the world, and people seem to always blame men when they can't get a woman.

It's not just in getting dates, but people will take the woman's side in divorces and break-ups too. Somehow the woman is always the victim, and the guy is always the jerk, according to most people.

a frustrating thing too, is that people don't want to see this, and if you do highlight some blatant double standard they will just say "Oh well, who cares! Women are disadvantaged in so many other ways, this makes no difference".

What I find particularly disturbing and telling is if you go onto youtube, you can find these stupid little stories that people make with characters on The Sims. Mostly kids do it. It is full of stories of bad men, caught cheating, little girls crying at their bad fathers, bad fathers running away. It's hilarious, and it's a microcosm of the whole attitude towards men in our literature, society, and art. From the mouths of babes, these early teen girls just absorb it all and put it all back out in these embarrassing stories. It's scary to think they're roleplaying it like this.

A few examples, but I can't find the original ones I saw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2Dh0l_aE0 father abandons baby in the park while he goes fishing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ-GIxzfgh4 "wife abuse", wife kills man at the end and laughs happily with her daughter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug23sg2fwek "father leaving his daughter"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_OFQFRqki0 "Daughter to father" animation

Volkulja is at it again! This woman must be missing some screws in her head She goes to completely absurd lengths to criticize people. Some thing that's seen as a non issue by most people becomes a big moral question and taboo subject for her. Is this just her insanity or some clever manipulation on her part? That's the question!

Originally Posted by WildMan
I guarantee, however, that right now in some such refugee camp there's a guy beating his head against the nearest tree (which is more effective than the walls of a tent or a lean-to). Why? It's because everyone else seems to be fucking like rabbits, as humans typically do when under duress and in cramped conditions, while he gets nothing.

Her reply
You have no way to guarantee this! In fact, I personally find it very unlikely that such scenario might be this common. This is because being in such an extreme situation is due to affect your attitude and behavior, not to mention priorities. IMO people in refugee camps have more important things to deal with. It is also unlikely that they waste their lives overanalizing situations or being scared shitless of rejection - they have more concrete fears to deal with.

I would also apprieciate you not posting this kind of analogies. It is unrespectufl towards the people who actually live in such extreme conditions.

Original thread here http://incel.myonlineplace.org/forum/sh ... hp?t=10980

This youtube video posted earlier is really spot on!

weird thing is, I thought volkulja and wildman were an item and cured each others incel???

He probably doesn't mind then. Haven't seen him reply to her yet. I just know I'm fortunate I don't know this witch better

Supposedly correct. Clearly, this is a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

Look at that relationship- She's a harpy, he's a wannabe frat boy. She snipes at all kinds of shit he says. When I was there, I found that it was possible to have Wildman agreeing with me on a subject we were discussing, while in the very same thread Volkulja'd be shrieking at me for the exact same statements. Those threads got shut down pretty quick when he realized what was happening and I wasn't taking her bait.

These days I suspect they've actually broken up, and just never got around to telling people on that forum.

With her having influence on the policies on that forum it's really no wonder it's so royally fucked up

If I remember correctly, from of one of volkulja's post, is that she was incel because she was too insecure to accept the invitations of men asking her out.

The incel board is definitely messed up. Even stating something like men are expected to ask women out and that's the cultural norm will get you chastised like you are satan himself. They will inevitably say some stuff like, "Well...some women ask men out." Sure, it's correct to some extent but acting as if that's good information for a man to rely upon in the dating world is useless. You might as well tell him to join a monastery. I've seen this happen in a thread a while ago and they realized they were beat so they started shifting what 'asking out' means and it was no longer the standard, "Hey, are you free on X to do Y" or some BS like that but instead their twisted version of, "Well...she did flip her hair at you."

Another example is when they try to discuss online dating. It's pretty clear that the whole system of online dating is in favor of women from the number of participates to the actual structure of it and the psychological disposition it invokes, but they try to paint it as some equal battleground because women 40+lbs overweight can't get a date.

Some times I get the impression that the incel board isn't about helping male incels at all but promoting female interests and helping the few female incels that's out there. I know it's not black and white but I definitely get the impression that the board is dominated by female values and a lack of understanding for the challenges that's facing young men of today. Not suprising maybe when considering that the board was initially started by a women and has probably been dominated by women ever since.

If they are the female "incel" board, and this is the male, I guess in some ways we incel/LS people can represent what is worst, the most injured and unfair etc about each genders experience. Some of it is perception, some of it is reality. Instead of us being closer to the centre as you might feasibly think, we're actually more extreme at each end of the scale of the gender divide.

There is a lot of truth in extremity (not all truth is in the "middle ground") so I'm not saying this board is wrong. I believe that with the state of gender relations, roles, and expectations these days and what is "normal" and accepted, that much of our extremity is closer to the actual truth.
And likewise, a lot their extremism is even further from the truth. But there is still truth in what they say, and they have been let down by societies standards as much as the rest of us. The thing that scares me about them is the fascism. They will willingly shut down debate, blot out views they don't like etc. And that to me is an accurate extension of the kind of hysteria I see in mainstream feministic views.

Many women would see some of negative attitudes here as "anti woman" too, and I think to some degree they are right. But at least we won't censor, ban, etc. We kind of display the male characteristic of boxing out our differences without wanting each other dead or excluded.

If I had to choose between extreminism in speech and writing and cencorship I would choose extremism. You don't have to agree with everything you read here and it's not respectfull of others to say that you can't handle making up our own opinions about things. Who is the judge of what's right and what's wrong? I and others can think for ourselves and we will be our own judges. I'm glad freedom of speech within reasonable limits are respected here. I've tested the limits myself and the board passed.

I agree completely, I'd rather all the rambled rantings of the lookists, dark triadists, mangina's etc than the censorship and "I will make my truth by eliminating all alternatives" attitude.

I think it's bullshit that people feel bad for the few women that supposedly can't find dates.

Have you heard the expression, "Don't feel sorry for a millionaire?" Well, I think another expression should be made, "Don't feel sorry for a woman."

When a dating life is handed to you on a silver platter like it is for every woman because of gender roles, I should never hear any woman bitch about not being able to find a man. It doesn't matter what they look like, I've noticed that even overweight, unattractive women have their pick of the multiple men that hit on them.

I don't think it's quite that simple. There are women out there that have genuine problems with dating and sex. The point to make here is that guys generally struggle more with these problems than women and therefore deserve more sympathy from society. Not to say that one shouldn't feel sorry for women that can't succeed in the dating world. One should also remember that even if almost all women can get sex very easily they maybe can't get quality sex easily and therefore may abstain from sex because they can't find a compatible partner. As we know women are far more picky and sex is more of an emotional experience for them.

Whilst I agree that women do have far more opportunity to "settle", they are still allowed to have standards, surely? And the right to rue the fact, and even complain, that they can't find a compatible person? I know, I know, there are many shallow bitches out there who have silly, contradictory, media-fed ideals and expectations... I know women like that and I just laugh, honestly.
But there are also women who have very different values and priorities and can't find a compatible partner.
I can understand that. Even though I'm totally loveless and depressed about it, I couldn't stand living my life with some bitches I know. They would drive me crazy. Controlling, materialistic, superficial etc. Even if a woman like that wanted to marry me I'd probably stay incel.

I'm prepared to give some incel women the benefit of the doubt and assume this is their situation.