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PostPosted: 13 Feb 2012, 11:25 
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Been seeing a lot of racism/anti-semitism being thrown around lately yet no slap on the wrist, verbal warning or even facepalm of disapproval? Also female bashing is at an all time high, thread after thread dedicated to just hating women (how is this helping incel/LS men is beyond me).

So is everything okay here? Are there literally no rules in place for these kinds of actions?


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We've always been fairly lenient when it comes to free speech. That being said, earlier today I had to stomp WAFFLESTOMPER for posting something extremely anti-semitic in the Kay Hymowitz thread. It was so bad I had to delete it.

I'm not sure what you're referring to with Cynic and Nature Boy. Links?

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We've always been fairly lenient when it comes to free speech. That being said, earlier today I had to stomp WAFFLESTOMPER for posting something extremely anti-semitic in the Kay Hymowitz thread. It was so bad I had to delete it.

I'm not sure what you're referring to with Cynic and Nature Boy. Links?


Actually nevermind. I had to re-read that. ._.

Just from time to time things get a little... >_> low-brow? Around here.


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Yes they do. I attribute it to the mental anguish and sheer boredom brought on by incel.

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I think for the most part they do a good job as the ideology of freedom of speech is more important than political correctness.

I've only personally experienced one situation that I found questionable, and it was related to my friend's suicide where some harsh things were said at a point of extreme mental hardship for me. I simply left until I was ready to return.

For the record, I am equally in favor of all races. I am tolerant of religious people, as while I dislike religion as mind control, I do not have harsh feelings towards those who's minds are being controlled. Those who wish to do the controlling, I'm skeptical of their intentions.

The only people I actively dislike posting here are actively malicious people, or those who have no sympathy for incel and would prefer to mock and be condescending towards easy targets. Only in the most extreme cases would I advocate censorship of honest thoughts.

But I do believe if someone does not face incel and has little sympathy for the condition, it's likely they are here for gawking at best, and I do not trust people like this to have good intentions on a support forum. If I was on a depression support forum, and people who had no sympathy for depression were just gawking and taking shots at depressed people, I would find that highly questionable.


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Maybe they are too lenient, but I don't want LS forum to become another Incel forum clone where political correctness and kissing of mods stinking asses is regular occurence.

I am not going to support banning users with controversial (albeit motivtated) views too.

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This could be a really productive conversation. As I recall correctly, the deleted comment ran the lines of [antisemitic slur] [wish that she or her family had been killed in WW2].

A valuable question here could be why this sort of comment is unacceptable where as [deragatory label for women] [wish that a woman/group of women/women in general are killed/raped/exposed to other violence] which seems not only acceptable but rather commonplace.

As LN points out, these constructs are likely linked to the poster's condition, as either a partial effect, cause or a bit of both. The question I would pose directly is why these same excuses wouldn't be just as valid for someone posting equally disturbing antisemitic, racist or even anti-male missives. I would think the largest difference lies in that advocating, threatening or wishing for violence against women is simply more common on this board and acceptable due to it's frequency, not that there is a wide gulf in content.


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threatening someone specifically with violence is not tolerated. An empty frustrated comment such as "these people are idiots and should all be forcibly castrated" isn't really a threat of violence.

But also, I've yet to see a post that said "women should all be .... whatevered..."

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threatening someone specifically with violence is not tolerated. An empty frustrated comment such as "these people are idiots and should all be forcibly castrated" isn't really a threat of violence.

But also, I've yet to see a post that said "women should all be .... whatevered..."

I have seen plenty of scathing personal attacks, motivated just for having a different opinion. Posts questioning other poster's manhood are, in my opinion, too common. I'm not asking for mods to intervene in those cases, of course, but I have to point it out, it generates unnecessary animosity.


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personal attacks yes, threats of violence no. I can call you a fucking idiot who wouldn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and there's really no problem. Most of that winds up in the thunderdome anyway. It's healthy IMO. There are few things more nauseating that trying to call someone an idiot while tiptoeing around it in order to conform to mod laws.

IDK about other members, but there are very very few cases where I let what happens in a thread leave that specific thread. Disagreements are generally just that, disagreements. There's not a member of this forum I wouldn't sit down and have a beer with. Assuming they'd agree have one with me :lol: Emotions do run hot, but I like to think we can maintain a level of civility. Rather than pretending it's there and secretly hating each other. Like congress.

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This could be a really productive conversation. As I recall correctly, the deleted comment ran the lines of [antisemitic slur] [wish that she or her family had been killed in WW2].

A valuable question here could be why this sort of comment is unacceptable where as [deragatory label for women] [wish that a woman/group of women/women in general are killed/raped/exposed to other violence] which seems not only acceptable but rather commonplace.

As LN points out, these constructs are likely linked to the poster's condition, as either a partial effect, cause or a bit of both. The question I would pose directly is why these same excuses wouldn't be just as valid for someone posting equally disturbing antisemitic, racist or even anti-male missives. I would think the largest difference lies in that advocating, threatening or wishing for violence against women is simply more common on this board and acceptable due to it's frequency, not that there is a wide gulf in content.


I tolerate racism just as much as misogyny and misandry. You're tolerated here, and you're considered one of, if not the single most offensive poster.

Just don't spam, fish for personal info, post illegal shit, or threaten to harm anyone and you'll probably be left alone by the mods/admins. Racism, homphobia, shit like that is ok with me.

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With regard to racism, I think the mods should "pick their battles", as it were. We attract enough trolling interest because of our candid views about feminism. If the mods let this become a haven for racists, then that might attract more trolls than we can deal with. The racists have their own forums; let them deal with the anti-racist trolls.

So, I'm not in favor of censoring racist views on ideological grounds, but I am in favor of it on practical grounds.


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I am a fan of free speech, and it's a big reason I favor this place over that joke of a forum known as "Incel Support". That said, given the trolling problems this forum has attracted in the past, blatant ass-hattery should probably be shut down swiftly and efficiently. I saw the post that LN referenced from WAFFLESTOMPER, and I commend him for taking care of it. Of course with a screen name like that, can you really complain when your account gets 86'd, for any reason? The mods/admins of this site have no obligation to anybody, and they certainly shouldn't tolerate those making a joke of this forum, or blatant disrespect in general.


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this is the other side of free speech, and im glad to see that the mods are applying it evenly.


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I think the mods are doing a fine job.

In fact, this place used to be a lot more racist, a lot more sexist, and a lot more homophobic. Things have gotten a lot, lot better in the past 2 years.

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