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No matter what your faith is,one problem is clear.Either one religion or Atheism is correct and all other views are wrong.That's why there should be multiracialism but there should never be multireligionism.So if one "religion" could accept the correctness of another or Atheism,it is not a religion at all.Just like 1+1 couldn't be both 2 and 3.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.


Mat 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



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Interesting websites:
On Torah:
http://www.torahofmessiah.com
http://www.eliyah.com/
On Paul of Tarsus who was NOT an apostle and taught against Torah:
http://www.truthseekers.co.za/
http://www.wardsoft.net/web
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Torah is still in force.
Yeshua is the Messiah because he perfectly practices the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy).
Yeshua's disciples in Jerusalem, led by James, Peter and John, also practice the Torah.
Why not start from keeping the Sabbath?
It is good religiously. It is also good for your secular life.
"Christmas" is actually paganmas that has nothing to do with Yeshua who Greco-Roman paganizers renamed Jesus.
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Either one religion or Atheism is correct and all other views are wrong.That's why there should be multiracialism but there should never be multireligionism.So if one "religion" could accept the correctness of another or Atheism,it is not a religion at all.Just like 1+1 couldn't be both 2 and 3.

I disagree. Most religions are complex belief systems made out of many different ideas. For example, both Judaism and Christianism use the Old Testament, even Islam borrows some parts of it. Some religious denominations are mutually exclusive but still agree on the main premises of the parent religion. It makes more sense to me that some religions would be closer to an objective truth than others, but none of them can be 100% right or wrong, because there's so much overlap.

And there's also the moral aspect, which is always debatable regardless of the supernatural aspect. Stating that only one religion is right implies that there is only one optimum set of moral principles that ensure the greater good. How do you know this is true? Certainly some moral guidelines can be thought of as better than others, but how can anyone be sure there isn't a better alternative waiting to be found?


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Either one religion or Atheism is correct and all other views are wrong.That's why there should be multiracialism but there should never be multireligionism.So if one "religion" could accept the correctness of another or Atheism,it is not a religion at all.Just like 1+1 couldn't be both 2 and 3.

I disagree. Most religions are complex belief systems made out of many different ideas. For example, both Judaism and Christianism use the Old Testament, even Islam borrows some parts of it. Some religious denominations are mutually exclusive but still agree on the main premises of the parent religion. It makes more sense to me that some religions would be closer to an objective truth than others, but none of them can be 100% right or wrong.

And there's also the moral aspect, which is always debatable regardless of the supernatural aspect. Stating that only one religion is right implies that there is only one optimum set of moral principles that ensure the greater good. How do you know this is true? Certainly some moral guidelines can be thought of as better than others, but how can anyone be sure there isn't a better alternative waiting to be found?

First of all atheism ISN'T a belief system or world view only the refutation of believing in a deity.
Multiculturalism has proven to be the death knell for many western European nations. Take Sweden for example; the country is losing naturalized citizens due to low birth rates and an aggressive colonization of Islamic immigrants originally under the guise of refugees. By 2030 Sweden is most likely to become an Islamic nation by sheer attrition. The Islamic majority would eventually VOTE Sharia Law into the once secular and free nation. Under the guise of multiculturalism the leaders of Sweden had given up their nation to appease the Islamic immigrants to keep them from committing violence. Not all worldviews are equal and that of the bronze age barbarism that is Islam should have been put an end to long ago. In comparison the other religions are minor threats to the "religion of peace" a lying fascist regime that WILL do anything to spread it's dogma.


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Kurhein wrote:
Small Pink Blob wrote:
Pavel_Tomarov wrote:
Either one religion or Atheism is correct and all other views are wrong.That's why there should be multiracialism but there should never be multireligionism.So if one "religion" could accept the correctness of another or Atheism,it is not a religion at all.Just like 1+1 couldn't be both 2 and 3.

I disagree. Most religions are complex belief systems made out of many different ideas. For example, both Judaism and Christianism use the Old Testament, even Islam borrows some parts of it. Some religious denominations are mutually exclusive but still agree on the main premises of the parent religion. It makes more sense to me that some religions would be closer to an objective truth than others, but none of them can be 100% right or wrong.

And there's also the moral aspect, which is always debatable regardless of the supernatural aspect. Stating that only one religion is right implies that there is only one optimum set of moral principles that ensure the greater good. How do you know this is true? Certainly some moral guidelines can be thought of as better than others, but how can anyone be sure there isn't a better alternative waiting to be found?

First of all atheism ISN'T a belief system or world view only the refutation of believing in a deity.
Multiculturalism has proven to be the death knell for many western European nations. Take Sweden for example; the country is losing naturalized citizens due to low birth rates and an aggressive colonization of Islamic immigrants originally under the guise of refugees. By 2030 Sweden is most likely to become an Islamic nation by sheer attrition. The Islamic majority would eventually VOTE Sharia Law into the once secular and free nation. Under the guise of multiculturalism the leaders of Sweden had given up their nation to appease the Islamic immigrants to keep them from committing violence. Not all worldviews are equal and that of the bronze age barbarism that is Islam should have been put an end to long ago. In comparison the other religions are minor threats to the "religion of peace" a lying fascist regime that WILL do anything to spread it's dogma.


Atheism is not a lack of belief.It is a belief itself.Agnosticism is lack of belief in both a certain religion and Atheism.Atheism is a belief( and a baseless one.)Christianity is a belief with a lot of evidence but not proof,otherwise there would not be faith.I profide faith in Christianity mainly because of the Jews.Jewish smartness ,Jewish success and the wonderful state of Israel strengthen my faith.So we have to compare faiths and find out that Christianity is the one that has most miracles in the modern society.That's why I defend Zionism and Israel fiercely.By the way,what you are saying about Islam is true.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.


Mat 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



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Interesting websites:
On Torah:
http://www.torahofmessiah.com
http://www.eliyah.com/
On Paul of Tarsus who was NOT an apostle and taught against Torah:
http://www.truthseekers.co.za/
http://www.wardsoft.net/web
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Torah is still in force.
Yeshua is the Messiah because he perfectly practices the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy).
Yeshua's disciples in Jerusalem, led by James, Peter and John, also practice the Torah.
Why not start from keeping the Sabbath?
It is good religiously. It is also good for your secular life.
"Christmas" is actually paganmas that has nothing to do with Yeshua who Greco-Roman paganizers renamed Jesus.
"Easter" is a pagan festival. Why keep celebrating them?


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Small Pink Blob wrote:
Pavel_Tomarov wrote:
Either one religion or Atheism is correct and all other views are wrong.That's why there should be multiracialism but there should never be multireligionism.So if one "religion" could accept the correctness of another or Atheism,it is not a religion at all.Just like 1+1 couldn't be both 2 and 3.

I disagree. Most religions are complex belief systems made out of many different ideas. For example, both Judaism and Christianism use the Old Testament, even Islam borrows some parts of it. Some religious denominations are mutually exclusive but still agree on the main premises of the parent religion. It makes more sense to me that some religions would be closer to an objective truth than others, but none of them can be 100% right or wrong, because there's so much overlap.

And there's also the moral aspect, which is always debatable regardless of the supernatural aspect. Stating that only one religion is right implies that there is only one optimum set of moral principles that ensure the greater good. How do you know this is true? Certainly some moral guidelines can be thought of as better than others, but how can anyone be sure there isn't a better alternative waiting to be found?


All religions are mutually exclusive by logic.You couldn't say that Christianity and Islam are both correct since this is a logical fallacy. God our LORD defines what is moral and what is immoral.There is no moral relativism and no space for Orwellism to exist in Christianity.Morality is just defined and it never changes.Although Islam absorbs(or steals.....) much from Judaism and Christianity,it doesn't worship God our LORD .That's the difference.Judaism and Christianity actually worship God our LORD ,but this is a special case since Christianity grows out of Judaism.

As to Islam,let's say something interesting.When Islam was not violent,it gained less than 200 followers in 13 years.When it turns to jihad,it growed very very fast.Just this could prove that Islam is a false religion.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.


Mat 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Interesting websites:
On Torah:
http://www.torahofmessiah.com
http://www.eliyah.com/
On Paul of Tarsus who was NOT an apostle and taught against Torah:
http://www.truthseekers.co.za/
http://www.wardsoft.net/web
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Torah is still in force.
Yeshua is the Messiah because he perfectly practices the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy).
Yeshua's disciples in Jerusalem, led by James, Peter and John, also practice the Torah.
Why not start from keeping the Sabbath?
It is good religiously. It is also good for your secular life.
"Christmas" is actually paganmas that has nothing to do with Yeshua who Greco-Roman paganizers renamed Jesus.
"Easter" is a pagan festival. Why keep celebrating them?


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As if Christianity isn't violent.

The Edict of Thessalonica was issued under the influence of Acholius, and thus of Pope Damasus I, who had appointed him. It re-affirmed the "Catholic" (i.e. universal and orthodox) Faith as the sole legitimate expression of the Apostolic Faith, which was "delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter, as it has been preserved by faithful tradition." After the Edict, Theodosius spent a great deal of energy suppressing Arianism and other heretical sects, and in establishing Nicene orthodoxy throughout his realm.

The Edict was followed in 381 by the First Council of Constantinople, which affirmed the Nicene Symbolum and gave final form to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. In 383 the Emperor ordered the various non-Nicene sects (Arians, Anomoeans, Macedonians, and Novatians) to submit written creeds to him, which he prayerfully reviewed and then burned, save for that of the Novatians. The other sects lost the right to meet, ordain priests, or spread their beliefs. Theodosius prohibited the residence of heretics within Constantinople, and in 392 and 394 confiscated their places of worship.

The Christian persecution of paganism under Theodosius I began in 381, after the first couple of years his reign in the Eastern Roman Empire. In the 380s, Theodosius I reiterated Constantine's ban on Pagan sacrifice, prohibited haruspicy on pain of death, pioneered the criminalization of Magistrates who did not enforce anti-Pagan laws, broke up some pagan associations and destroyed Pagan temples.

Between 389-391 he issued the "Theodosian decrees," which established a practical ban on paganism; visits to the temples were forbidden, remaining Pagan holidays abolished, the eternal fire in the Temple of Vesta in the Roman Forum extinguished, the Vestal Virgins disbanded, auspices and witchcrafting punished. Theodosian refused to restore the Altar of Victory in the Senate House, as asked by Pagan Senators.

In 392 he became emperor of the whole empire (the last one to do so). From this moment till the end of his reign in 395, while Pagans remained outspoken in their demands for toleration, he authorized or participated in the destruction of many temples, holy sites, images and objects of piety throughout the empire and participated in actions by Christians against major Pagan sites. He issued a comprehensive law that prohibited any Pagan ritual even within the privacy of one's home, and was particularly oppressive of Manicheans. Manicheans could be sought out by informers, brought to court and in some cases executed. Paganism was now proscribed, a "religio illicita".

Wonderfully tolerant :roll:.

This is only one example.

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Christianity is not violent but Christians can be violent.By the way,I believe in Christianity because it is true(has much evidence in modern times,not only in the Bible,for example the Jews.),not because it is peaceful.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.


Mat 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Interesting websites:
On Torah:
http://www.torahofmessiah.com
http://www.eliyah.com/
On Paul of Tarsus who was NOT an apostle and taught against Torah:
http://www.truthseekers.co.za/
http://www.wardsoft.net/web
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Torah is still in force.
Yeshua is the Messiah because he perfectly practices the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy).
Yeshua's disciples in Jerusalem, led by James, Peter and John, also practice the Torah.
Why not start from keeping the Sabbath?
It is good religiously. It is also good for your secular life.
"Christmas" is actually paganmas that has nothing to do with Yeshua who Greco-Roman paganizers renamed Jesus.
"Easter" is a pagan festival. Why keep celebrating them?


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Christianity is not violent but Christians can be violent.


Same applies to Islam. It adheres to the ten commandments as well you know. So claiming it's a false religion because it's violent is silly.

For one thing, Islamic culture was a lot more highstanding than Christian culture throughout the middle ages. Even after that the Ottoman Empire was highly tolerant of religious minorities. This cannot be said for many European Christian states.

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No.Islam couldn't exist without violence while Christianity preaches peace.

The Armenian army forbids all sects of Christianity to preach to soldiers because it fears that Christians preach pacifism.

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18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.


Mat 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



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Interesting websites:
On Torah:
http://www.torahofmessiah.com
http://www.eliyah.com/
On Paul of Tarsus who was NOT an apostle and taught against Torah:
http://www.truthseekers.co.za/
http://www.wardsoft.net/web
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Torah is still in force.
Yeshua is the Messiah because he perfectly practices the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy).
Yeshua's disciples in Jerusalem, led by James, Peter and John, also practice the Torah.
Why not start from keeping the Sabbath?
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No.Islam couldn't exist without violence while Christianity preaches peace.

The Armenian army forbids all sects of Christianity to preach to soldiers because it fears that Christians preach pacifism.


What Christianity preaches and what it does are two different things. I've given one example. Another is how Charlemagne forced the Saxons to convert to Christianity by force:

Wikipedia wrote:
He [Charlemagne] returned to Saxony in 782 and instituted a code of law and appointed counts, both Saxon and Frank. The laws were draconian on religious issues; for example, the Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae prescribed death to Saxon pagans who refused to convert to Christianity.


Christianity couldn't exist without violence either. Without violence, many would not have converted.

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Although Islam absorbs(or steals.....) much from Judaism and Christianity,it doesn't worship God our LORD .That's the difference.

Well, Muslims do claim to worship the same God as Christians and Jews, and they even consider Jesus a prophet, so what makes you think they actually worship a different deity?

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All religions are mutually exclusive by logic.You couldn't say that Christianity and Islam are both correct since this is a logical fallacy.

Yes, I have to agree with you on that. It doesn't mean one of the existing ones must necessarily be right. The truth about the divine could always turn out to be something completely different that no one had thought about. Or maybe an unforeseen combination of many different religions.

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God our LORD defines what is moral and what is immoral.There is no moral relativism and no space for Orwellism to exist in Christianity.Morality is just defined and it never changes.

You seem to be especially fond of Deuteronomy ("Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one."). Doesn't that book speak of seemingly immoral laws, such as polygamy, punishment by stoning, and forcing rapists to marry their victims? Weren't those laws allegedly given to Moses by God?* They definitely aren't a part of Christian morality, so maybe morality does change?

(*) I know many of the laws in Deuteronomy made sense for the society of that time and weren't necessarily associated with religion. I'm not a Bible scholar by any means, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I still think it may count as a counterexample.

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As to Islam,let's say something interesting.When Islam was not violent,it gained less than 200 followers in 13 years.When it turns to jihad,it growed very very fast.

Interesting... When was that?


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Atheism is not a lack of belief.It is a belief itself.Agnosticism is lack of belief in both a certain religion and Atheism.


Have to agree with you on this one...

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...but not this. There is absolutely shit TONNES of evidence out there for Atheists to believe what they believe, yet precious little for Christians. I've said, time and time...and time again that you have to provide more evidence than a BOOK and a load of followers for it to be sufficient enough to challenge Atheism.

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All religions are mutually exclusive by logic.You couldn't say that Christianity and Islam are both correct since this is a logical fallacy. God our LORD defines what is moral and what is immoral.There is no moral relativism and no space for Orwellism to exist in Christianity.Morality is just defined and it never changes.Although Islam absorbs(or steals.....) much from Judaism and Christianity,it doesn't worship God our LORD .That's the difference.Judaism and Christianity actually worship God our LORD ,but this is a special case since Christianity grows out of Judaism.


WHAT?!?!? Bloody hell! This is just proving how damn blind you are! You don't even know the history of your religion. Mohammad was (or at least claimed to be) a prophet of Yahweh. FACT. This is written down in a book with just as much evidence as your Bible. Going by your logic stated above, you canNOT deny this.

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And the fact that when Islam first came about, Christians went over to Jerusalem and murdered a whole bunch of them, completely destroying the sixth Commandment, proves that Christianity is a false religion. To paraphrase you yourself:

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No.Islam couldn't exist without violence while Christianity preaches peace.

The Armenian army forbids all sects of Christianity to preach to soldiers because it fears that Christians preach pacifism.


What Christianity preaches and what it does are two different things. I've given one example. Another is how Charlemagne forced the Saxons to convert to Christianity by force:

Wikipedia wrote:
He [Charlemagne] returned to Saxony in 782 and instituted a code of law and appointed counts, both Saxon and Frank. The laws were draconian on religious issues; for example, the Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae prescribed death to Saxon pagans who refused to convert to Christianity.


Christianity couldn't exist without violence either. Without violence, many would not have converted.


What Christians preach is Christianity.What Christians do might not have anything to do with the doctrine of Christianity.If a man who claims to be a Christian rob,what does it have anything to do with Christianity?What Christians do is not Christianity.What is said in the Bible is Christianity.

Christianity could exist without violence.See the early Church.

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Isa 1:18-20

18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.


Mat 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



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Interesting websites:
On Torah:
http://www.torahofmessiah.com
http://www.eliyah.com/
On Paul of Tarsus who was NOT an apostle and taught against Torah:
http://www.truthseekers.co.za/
http://www.wardsoft.net/web
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Torah is still in force.
Yeshua is the Messiah because he perfectly practices the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy).
Yeshua's disciples in Jerusalem, led by James, Peter and John, also practice the Torah.
Why not start from keeping the Sabbath?
It is good religiously. It is also good for your secular life.
"Christmas" is actually paganmas that has nothing to do with Yeshua who Greco-Roman paganizers renamed Jesus.
"Easter" is a pagan festival. Why keep celebrating them?


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Pavel_Tomarov wrote:
Atheism is not a lack of belief.It is a belief itself.Agnosticism is lack of belief in both a certain religion and Atheism.


Have to agree with you on this one...

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Atheism is a belief( and a baseless one.)Christianity is a belief with a lot of evidence but not proof,otherwise there would not be faith.


...but not this. There is absolutely shit TONNES of evidence out there for Atheists to believe what they believe, yet precious little for Christians. I've said, time and time...and time again that you have to provide more evidence than a BOOK and a load of followers for it to be sufficient enough to challenge Atheism.

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All religions are mutually exclusive by logic.You couldn't say that Christianity and Islam are both correct since this is a logical fallacy. God our LORD defines what is moral and what is immoral.There is no moral relativism and no space for Orwellism to exist in Christianity.Morality is just defined and it never changes.Although Islam absorbs(or steals.....) much from Judaism and Christianity,it doesn't worship God our LORD .That's the difference.Judaism and Christianity actually worship God our LORD ,but this is a special case since Christianity grows out of Judaism.


WHAT?!?!? Bloody hell! This is just proving how damn blind you are! You don't even know the history of your religion. Mohammad was (or at least claimed to be) a prophet of Yahweh. FACT. This is written down in a book with just as much evidence as your Bible. Going by your logic stated above, you canNOT deny this.

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As to Islam,let's say something interesting.When Islam was not violent,it gained less than 200 followers in 13 years.When it turns to jihad,it growed very very fast.Just this could prove that Islam is a false religion.


And the fact that when Islam first came about, Christians went over to Jerusalem and murdered a whole bunch of them, completely destroying the sixth Commandment, proves that Christianity is a false religion. To paraphrase you yourself:

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Islam is not violent but Muslims can be violent.


Atheism has no evidence at all.Please refrain from saying that Christianity and Evolution are incompatible with each other and things like that.....

Muhammad claimed to be a prophet of the Arab moon "deity",not God our LORD .Maybe Christianity and Judaism might be different sects of the same religion.

What?I have not said that.....Islam is violent but Muslims are usually peaceful.Islam is defined in the trilogy and it is very violent.What Muslims do might have nothing to do with Islam.

What Christians do have nothing to do with Christianity.If some Christians do kill,what does it have anything to do with Christianity?If you want to know Christianity,read the Bible,not see what Christians do.

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Isa 1:18-20

18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.
19 "If you consent and obey, You will eat the best of the land;
20 "But if you refuse and rebel, You will be devoured by the sword." Truly, the mouth of the LORD has spoken.


Mat 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Interesting websites:
On Torah:
http://www.torahofmessiah.com
http://www.eliyah.com/
On Paul of Tarsus who was NOT an apostle and taught against Torah:
http://www.truthseekers.co.za/
http://www.wardsoft.net/web
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Torah is still in force.
Yeshua is the Messiah because he perfectly practices the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy).
Yeshua's disciples in Jerusalem, led by James, Peter and John, also practice the Torah.
Why not start from keeping the Sabbath?
It is good religiously. It is also good for your secular life.
"Christmas" is actually paganmas that has nothing to do with Yeshua who Greco-Roman paganizers renamed Jesus.
"Easter" is a pagan festival. Why keep celebrating them?


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I see no comment from anyone about the videos in the OP.


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