And how do you know that for sure? Have you actually tried using a PUA opener or routine? I honestly haven't yet but I plan on trying some out pretty soon. From the one's I've seen on the internet, I think many of them are pretty funny and clever and would make for an entertaining conversation. You can't judge something until you actually try it out yourself.

I don't have time for clowns like you. I've got places to be and money to make.

Have you ever heard of Neil Strauss? He's one of those popular PUA guys that I read about a few months ago when I first learned of the PUA community. Before he became good with women the guy was basically where most of us are currently at. And he looked very ratty and unattractive as well, definitely under a 6. He managed to completely change his life around. He went from a womanless nerd to an oversexed rock star type character. To me he represents a good example of how one can change their life around if they're motivated and dedicated to do so. In this case he used the PUA community as a means for change. Regardless of where you're are at with women or what condition you've been diagnosed with, it is ultimately your responsibility to facilitate change. I've been dealing with social anxiety and panic disorder, and I'm currently in the process of correcting this. Did some CBT therapy for a while, but now I'm using some self-help methods and they seem to be working, though I still have a ways to go.

How do you know some of the PUA material won't work for you if you haven't tried it?

Then get to it, lol.

Next week I'll begin approaching women using some of those PUA "gimmicks". Sure, I'll probably embarrass myself, get rejected, and maybe feel like a total moron, but at least I'll be putting myself out there and getting some much needed social practice with women. And then there's the possibility that I might actually land some dates...guess we'll see.

Fuck you and fuck Neil Strauss too.

In fact, you two should marry each other. You were made for each other.

I'm saving up for a Rolex watch and Armani Suit mother fucker. I'd put those babies to more use than any of your bullshit PUA antics any day of the fucking week.

No need to have a temper tantrum buddy, settle down!

The difference here is that PUA routines and openers are FREE, they cost absolutely nothing. A Rolex and an Armani suit will cost at least a few grand, probably closer to $10,000. And then, you still have to put yourself out there and approach women. If I saw a guy in Armani I'd think he was trying too hard, unless he was legitimately wealthy.

Money corrupts everything.

I like what those simple pickup guys do, but there's no way I'd ever pay for their class or tell anyone else to. There is no "secret" that everyone has never told you that 1000 dollars will get you.

The only thing I think could genuinely help guys is a classroom setting with volunteer women. Kinda like Gilmartin suggested in his book. If nothing else, it could help men get more comfortable around women.

But no matter how much someone tells you to "be yourself" and just be honest, until that switch flicks in your head, you won't understand what they mean. The idea is to be righteously honest in everything you say and do. Stop suppressing basic thoughts and ideas. If you mean what you say, no matter what it is, people will respect you for it. There will always be people who disagree with you or dislike you for it, but don't be afraid of them. Don't hide who you are in order to conform to the social pleasantries.

A lot of guys say their shy and anxious ways is them being themselves. But it's not. You're afraid of what might happen, you're manipulating your personality based on outside factors. You're letting what someone else might think of you control how you behave. You're not presenting who you really are, you're presenting what you think gives you the best chance.

To hell with that. Say what you feel, say what you mean, stop giving a fuck. Bring what you are from day one, don't slowly morph into it as you get to know someone.

Society has men convinced that they should be ashamed of their sexuality. Porn is bad, sex is bad, looking at women is bad, don't do it. People blame the sexual revolution, quite frankly I think we need another one. But this time we've gotta undo the damage done to men.

Went to a seminar about a decade ago..........got INVITED to attend a bootcamp, and never did......my advice to you? DON'T.

There's a reason why I'm not a PUA. I'm not a text book narcissist. I'm a schizoid with an avoidant personality. I'm a trained professional in my field of work, but don't let it go to my head where I start thinking I'm BETTER than everyone who surrounds me. I do what's assigned to me and help others so that I can lessen the burden on them. I'd rather humble myself than be doing what you're doing now. There's no pride, honor, tradition or integrity in what you "players" do. If anything, I have more respect for janitors than I do for guys the likes of you. You ask me who I am, and I'll tell you: "I'm a nobody". Now, who are you? I have news for you buddy boy. You're a nobody too.

That was a cool post.

In reading self-help books, one of the things they promote is being open to new experiences and trying new things. I'll attend a bootcamp if the price is right and if they offer one on one guidance while actually approaching women. It would be a waste of money if it's just a seminar or something.

If you honestly think you're a nobody, then I feel sorry for you man, I really do. I hope positive vibes and great things come your way. No one should feel like they're a "nobody".

No. It is I who feels sorry for you (and all PUAs alike). You're a pathetic excuse for a "man". Keep your "positive vibes". I don't need your damn sympathy. I've survived 6 months without you or anyone elses' sympathy. I don't have to "hope" that everything that you touch turns to dust. I find solice in knowing that they will. In due time, they eventually will. And everything that you grow to love will be taken away from you in the worst possible way imaginable. Why? Because what you strive to attain is merely a temptation of the flesh. Your averice will eventually consume you. And when it does, I hope you, your children, and your children's children writhe in pain as you gnash your teeth in agony and remorse.

We may be the same age but maturity wise, you and I are worlds apart.