Finally got around to watching it WOW That was one of the best movies I have seen, I really hate when I procrastinate watching some movies, its not often a flick grabs my attention like that, I have A.D.D. So when a movie gets tedious or repetitious I stop watching and come back to it later, I was glued to this one every second , now I want to see the 2009 I just hope Its even half as good.

Which version did you see?
I saw the Swedish version (the whole trilogy) and it was pretty good, despite having to read subtitles.
Some of the scenes in the films, like the rape, were quite disturbing.

I found something weird about these movies. Nobody seems human. Everyone has the same fucking bleak personality.

I like the old fashioned murder mystery angle, though.

It would be very interesting if you saw the Hollywood versions as well and compared them.

That's definitely a fair criticism. I don't remember anyone smiling or laughing in that entire trilogy, it was pretty dark.

Do you understand what that trilogy is about? Why the author wrote these books? Do you get what he's trying to get across?

This is not created to depict either real people or a credible story. This is an attempt to put things in perspective.

This woman is like an adult Pippi Longstocking or what you call her
I'm suprrised to find these movies on these forum, considering the atmosphere here.

I know that the films were based on the books, but I haven't read the books yet.
I'm not sure if this is correct, but one of the messages I got out of the film was that human sexuality can often be very dark and corrupt. And the films also take a stab at the corruption of the political and wealthy elite who allow stuff like sex slavery to persist. It was a while ago when i saw the films, so my memory might be foggy.

To quote from wikipedia: "original title in Swedish: Män som hatar kvinnor – literally, men who hate women"

Possibly thorny issues here ( from the books)

* Lisbeth is bisexual
* Lisbeth dresses very stereotypically like a "butch"/"tearaway" lesbian. (Short hair, lots of piercing and tattoos, biker-stuff)
* There's a male lawyer guardian exploiting a "not-legally competent" young woman.
* ... the male lawyer abuses his position to get blowjobs and commit rape
* I believe that Lisbeth Silander (or her girlfriend) had shares in a co-operative of women that ran a woman-centric BDSM toyshop.

Having my attention drawn to how much, how varied and how easily women can get sex hurts - but the scar tissue is deep enough that seeing it in one more place isn't such a big deal. I enjoyed the whole "brilliant, tearaway genius" gets revenge part - and the way the story develops.

Aside: When I watched the Swedish film with English subtitles, it did seem strange how the Swedish word "kvinnor" sounds like "queen" in English(!)

if I explain I guess Hell will break loose again but I can give you this much.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0395972/ This movie depicts a sexual harassed woman going through legal channels

This movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0340855/ depicts a a woman who snaps

The above are based on true stories

"Men who hates women" depicts a woman who behaves like a man.
There is a sceen where she has sex like some men has with women, get "release" and then its over with. She uses him for her satisfaction only.

Quite interesting "take" on gender roles. Lisbeth Salander is nowhere a real woman, she is an underdog who rise up to her oppressors.

Not to all men - just the ones who hates women.
Have you seen her payback time to the man who raped her?

Its pronounced with a short I like in Quinn

That was one of the coolest parts of the story.

It's not just women that suffer from sexual molestation. I got molested by my music teacher and was so embarassed/ashamed that I lied and said nothing happened. As it happens, the police had a whole stack of testimony from other victims - so he went away for a long time.

Due to social circumstances it was difficult to avoid chance meets with the creepy fucker after he got out of prison. I feel that I know where Lisbeth was coming from. I was really shocked by the sense of relief I got when he hung himself. The Lisbeth Silander treatment would be quite appropriate for him - but maybe start with the forehead.

Yes I now. I have male friend who has suffered from that experience. And It's much more common than the public believes that women can be perpetrators.

This movie has caused a lot of discussions since Lisbeth handle things the way she does. Taking actual physical revenge like that is very alian for most women. At least here.

These books is just one otulook on things. Women are often in physical disantvantage, and many feel physical intimidated by men.
And when institutionalized or just depended of doctors and so on the are very wulnerable if there is a man who hate women, because he will make her pay.....

I believe women retaliates in a much more "sophisticated" way. And are total oblivious to it.
Women are very verbal abusive and that can hurt as much.

Someone has to right a book about that.

Haven't read the books - I saw two Swedish movies from the trilogy. Enjoyed them due to dark mystery and criminal sub-plots, but the character of Lisbeth is an epitome of modern feminist.

I've only seen the 2011 hollywood version so far, I'm looking forward to seeing the Swedish version, there were several parts of the revenge scene that were as if someone read my mind about what I would do to certain adult from my childhood if I ever tracked the slimy piece of shit down, I can't figure out how the last name was spelled its a very uncommon name and I've tried countless permutations without success.